Anybody use 17 caliber???

   / Anybody use 17 caliber??? #51  
Agree-

The Marlin sure is getting lots of praise from the press and folks who have one. Wouldn't mind having one myself! /w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif

Yep - that's what it is a necked down 22 mag. You were also right about the reloading thing - although Hornady does offer .17 cal bullets for reloading for cartridges like the .17 Remington, since the .17 HMR is a rimfire, each cartridge is "disposable" and can't be reloaded.
 
   / Anybody use 17 caliber??? #52  
<font color=blue>Traps or snares would be much more effective </font color=blue>

Plus, traps are on duty 24 hrs a day.
 
   / Anybody use 17 caliber???
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#53  
Sure, traps would work. But there has to be an element of chance in the equation. Besides, I don't want to harm the coyotes who respect the sound of my occasional target practice and stay away. It's the bold son of a gun who comes right up close to the house I want to get.

Pete
 
   / Anybody use 17 caliber??? #54  
Yes, it is a necked down 22 Mag case. No, they cannot be reloaded nor will primed cases be offered for reloading. If you want a versatile rifle with the capabilty to perform like the 17HMR and reloadable, get a 22 Hornet. I do like my 17HMR, it is fun to shoot. I like my Hornet much better. J
 
   / Anybody use 17 caliber??? #55  
High powered round do not carry forever ... IF the shooter uses his training to always make sure of the background (that is, the area behind which he is aiming the firearm, sending the bullet/shot.
Moreover, women can "comfortably" shoot any firearm a man can shoot; body weight makes something of a difference but, frankly, not much: HUG the butt of the gun to the shoulder, tightly, take aim, and fire ... slowly.

As for the shotgun and the coyote: there is a shell out there called Dead Coyoteョ that, I hear and hear and hear, is deadly on coyote at impressive ranges.

There are plenty and enough people out there who think firearms are dangerous. They are not. Shooters are. And "dangerous" falls into two categories, each distantly distinct from the other: a) there are those who are dangerous because they are criminally liable ... and liable to do anything to hear "bang!" and get a kick out of it; and b) there are those who are dangerous to criminals because they know their firearms, know their ammunition, know their circumstance in that moment of jeopardy, and willing to do what is necessary to STOP, even dead, the criminal to protect themselves, members of their family, members of their neighborhood, members of their community, and complete strangers against the predations of criminals. So let's not speak of firearms as if they are dangerous in and of themselves: keep them as they ought to be kept -- and that does NOT mean necessarily "locked up" or "separate from the ammunition, and know the gun well...and yourself.

~ Longscout
 
   / Anybody use 17 caliber??? #57  
Then we should keep it going. I would run out and buy one, but the ammo is still pretty hard to find.
 
   / Anybody use 17 caliber??? #58  
I have a custom 22-250 with 6x18 Redfield scope. The recoil is like getting hit in the face with a rolled up newspaper. Its good for coyotes - WAY out there. I've never considered it for deer because any deer that are WAY out there are so hard to spot in this country. The ammo is difficult to find and so darn expensive. For small varmints I use my 22 and for coyotes I use the trusty Winchester 30-30.

Experience with the 22-250 shows that while it is fast - any wind/breeze will deflect its point of impact considerably. Also if you are shooting at distance - heat waves will make it difficult to accurately sight in on a critter. While I've made successful shots on coyotes at 500+ yards, its just a lot easier & cheaper to call them in and finish them off with the 30-30. And my custom rifle is more of a bench rest weapon - not something you would want to carry out into the field.

I would think that 17 calibre would have many of these same limitations. If you are shooting varmints - then the smaller caliber's are probably OK. If you are hunting to put meat on the table - I want something that will stop & kill the animal where he stands.
 
   / Anybody use 17 caliber??? #59  
Lightweight, high velocity bullets,,from 17 calibre up to 30 calibre and over 2500 fps velocity are USELESS in the bush. The bullets deflect too readily. Plus the bullet spin rate is so high that they self-disintegrate if they hit even a leaf I do not hunt game anymore, too old.. but when I did, I found that the 30.06 was the most versatile load available off the shelf. Lots of choices about muzzle velocity, bullet type and bullet weight. These will kill any game animal at extreme ranges or in cover anywhere, if the cartridge is wisely selected. With a bullet drop compensating scope I have taken a standing mule deer at 1200 yards with one shot, from a sandbag rest on my truck hood, using a handloaded cartridge and hornady 165 gr soft pointed bullets @ 3200 FPS. from ten inch twist douglas bbl. and in a bolt action mauser action glass bedded montecarlo stock rifle with a set trigger, on a dead calm 35 degree day. The bullet penetrated the heart. The deer just fell where he stood. For large game (moose, bear) I used the 220 gr silvertip round. zeroed for 100 yds.

I am, of course a military trained sharpshooter with an expert marksman rating..or I was, back in that day. I did not like the military 308 round or 7.62 MM -too much recoil, too loud a report. Over kill in a hunting weapon...and not much flexibility for hand loading as the case is too small for sporting powder loads. Military ammo for this round uses a hot powder, hence the big bang and the big kick..and the bore wear..

I regard the 17 calibre weapon as a highly accurate calibre, but good for only varmit shooting in open country. The bullet is simply too light weight for most kinds of game shooting and factory loads are of inconsistent quality. I don't think I would ever buy one. I do have a bull barrel 223, which is good for long shots and small game in open country. I have killed Canada Geese sitting on water at 600 yds with that rifle and many many prarie dogs on the open plains from a prone sandbag rest and a very good Leupold scope sight zeroed to the 600 yd point. I always use handloads. Cheaper, more accurate, more consistent if loaded carefully. I have no use for that calibre in New Brunswick...no open country around here. This is .30 .30 country, mostly I prefer the 30.06 becoz of its wide assortment of factory loads. Works well anywhere for anything if you carry the right shells with you, and have an easily adjustable scope on your rifle.

Bolt action for me..only, preferably the mauser type action. One shot or no shots at all.
 
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   / Anybody use 17 caliber??? #60  
I love my 17 cal. Very accurate out to 150 yards. 22-250 out to 350 yards.....both for small game.
At 100 yards, the 17 is my favorite plinker.
 

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