skylarkguy
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Just heard about this product. Home » Engine Cooling Systems I'm not sure if they explicitly have a tractor product but i was wondering if anyone has used it, and how it worked out.
Anybody use this in their tractors
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meburdick
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I don't subscribe to things like that, period. Your engine was designed to work a certain way, under certain conditions. When you start altering the conditions, you're asking for trouble.
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Looks like they have a heavy duty diesel engine product. So, yes, it should work fine in a diesel tractor. Looks like you have to figure a way to get all the water out of the system though. That might be a tough one as there's always some water left behind. Maybe on a new rebuild it'd be fine. Says it's a permanent antifreeze product too. Tested down to -60 . That's pretty good and would work in a climate like Alaska. Looks like there's a powersports product used by a major company too.
It looks like a good product. Time will tell. I'm always skeptical on these "lifetime" products especially liquid consumable ones.
Steve
It looks like a good product. Time will tell. I'm always skeptical on these "lifetime" products especially liquid consumable ones.
Steve
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Their claim of increasing fuel economy by 10% is where they blew their credibility.
All the talk about how cooling systems are inadequate, causing internal boiling and detonation is a scare tactic.
Lasting a lifetime is another misleading claim.
We cannot change the operating temperature of the engine without changing to a different thermostat and other components that we cannot get or might have to design and that might cause other problems. Car radiators, for instance, have plastic end caps these days and are near their temperature limit.
The water pump and hoses will still have to be changed at some point, so the coolant will have to come out at that point.
It seems tractors are not designed with marginal cooling systems that are boiling internally, and diesels cannot detonate.
They don't talk about the cost or the requirements to clean the system to put it in.
I wish they said what was in it so we had an idea what it was.
Best to wait a bit and not be the first one to test it. I don't like the toxicity of ethylene glycol used in antifreeze now, but you could always use propylene glycol if that is the issue.
All the talk about how cooling systems are inadequate, causing internal boiling and detonation is a scare tactic.
Lasting a lifetime is another misleading claim.
We cannot change the operating temperature of the engine without changing to a different thermostat and other components that we cannot get or might have to design and that might cause other problems. Car radiators, for instance, have plastic end caps these days and are near their temperature limit.
The water pump and hoses will still have to be changed at some point, so the coolant will have to come out at that point.
It seems tractors are not designed with marginal cooling systems that are boiling internally, and diesels cannot detonate.
They don't talk about the cost or the requirements to clean the system to put it in.
I wish they said what was in it so we had an idea what it was.
Best to wait a bit and not be the first one to test it. I don't like the toxicity of ethylene glycol used in antifreeze now, but you could always use propylene glycol if that is the issue.
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Skeptical of something that gets pushed by TV shows geared tot he "weekend warrior". Not knocking the shows (several I have watched) but remember that the production costs are paid for by the advertisers. The advertisers pay big money to get ads onto the shows and pay even bigger money when their product is "spotlight of the week".
Not saying that the products are good or bad- buyer beware.
Not saying that the products are good or bad- buyer beware.
meburdick
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The statement that it is a Lifetime Product as long as it isn't contaminated with water is a key statement... How do you get 100% of the moisture out of the existing cooling system before adding this stuff? Are you prepared to completely tear down your motor and build it back up in a low humidity environment just so you can put this stuff in?
I agree that the fuel economy claim is an immediate red flag.
And I'll say again that changing key aspects of how your motor operates (like the operating temp) goes against what the motor was designed to do. The internals of a diesel are designed to operate way above "the boiling point" already... Why does it need to be raised? Raised by how much? What value does raising the temp bring aside from possible pre-detonation of fuel?
Let's not even begin to think about the voided warranty from all of this (changing the operating temp is akin to an engine modification)...
I agree that the fuel economy claim is an immediate red flag.
And I'll say again that changing key aspects of how your motor operates (like the operating temp) goes against what the motor was designed to do. The internals of a diesel are designed to operate way above "the boiling point" already... Why does it need to be raised? Raised by how much? What value does raising the temp bring aside from possible pre-detonation of fuel?
Let's not even begin to think about the voided warranty from all of this (changing the operating temp is akin to an engine modification)...
High Compression
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You don't have to get 100% of the water out. Only 97%. Old school isn't always best. If we never made changes and or improvements, we as the human race, would not be where we are today. Otherwise we'll still be using horses, or steam engines, or flathead engines, lubricating with vegetable oils, or rancid petroleum grease. Don't be so closed minded and skeptic people! Maybe the mpg claims are not accurate, maybe they ARE if you read the fine print. But one thing is you can't go through life with you head in the sand.
NICKB304
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i have never tried it but one of the local fast kids i race moto with swears by it. says its the only coolant he has tried that does not boil over during a moto.
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As previously stated I would think the key thing is the thermostat. It is going to activate at its preset temp so, regardless of boiling point of the liquid, this is how the coolant will be controlled. Yes, replacing the thermostat would cover this but- not within design parameters.
I don't know a whole lot about motocross, my understanding is that sometimes the thermostat is removed or non existent. So in that application I can see where it would work well.
....I will now return to my head under the sand
I don't know a whole lot about motocross, my understanding is that sometimes the thermostat is removed or non existent. So in that application I can see where it would work well.
....I will now return to my head under the sand