Anybody want a free loader?

[rtimgray]

I have on my place an old loader frame that (I believe) fits an N-series Ford. It is a trip-style loader, there is no bucket. It has cylinders and a control valve, but no pump. I don't know if the hydraulic res. is the frame or not. Anyway, I don't have any use for it and have tried, unsuccessfully, to give it away before. It may not be worth trying to do anything with, but if anybody wanted a project, I'd love to get rid of it rather that throw it away. I will try to attach some pictures of it. Location is in western Kentucky.

 

[rtimgray]

Here's another picture

 

[rtimgray]

and one more

 

[Pooh_Bear]

I want it. I'm in the Chattanoog area.
http://web.infoave.net/~poohbear2767/whereilive.htm
Is it restorable. Can I use it on my 8n.
I will come get it.

Now to go look at the pictures.

Thanks.

Pooh Bear

 

[Pooh_Bear]

OK, I looked at it.
How does it work. Which end is which.
How heavy is it. How could it be loaded on a trailer.
I would love to have a loader for my 8n.

Pooh Bear
poohbear2767@bledsoe.net

 

[Soundguy]

If I read the tag correctly.. it is a dearborn 19-60 According to a friend of mine, that's a heavy duty loader designed for a Ford NAA... theats the successor of the 8n. ( 8n.. late-1947-1952 ) ( NAA and jubilee late-1952, 53, and 54).

The NAA has a 4" longer wheelbase. It all depends on how the under-axle brackets are made. It may be possible to make it fit an 8n, sinc ethe axles ( front and rear are virtually identical ).. You'll just have to decide whether you can mod the brackets to fit.

Soundguy

 

[Pooh_Bear]

Probably wouldn't know that without measuring it and looking at it.

The big thing for me is how hard is it to come get.
Where in western Kentucky.

If nothing else it has cylinders and a control valve.
I'm sure I can do something with those.

Pooh Bear

 

[rtimgray]

If you look at the picture attached to the first post, the front of the loader is to the right of the picture (if you look at the other end, kind of in the roots of the trees, you can see the control valve.

I at one time had a hydraulic loader that was made for an 8N that had been modified to fit a Ford 800 series. The difference was (I think) what Soundguy was talking about - the difference between the front and rear axles. The loader I had just had some extensions on it. I would imagine you could add some extensions to the front of this one (If it is for a long wheelbase model) and mount it to an 8N with a little trouble.

The whole thing is (obviously) rusted, but doesn't appear to be rusted through. If it were to be wire wheeled or sandblasted, it could probably be repainted and look nice.

The loader should pretty well fit on a 16' dual axle utility trailer, and not be too much of a load to pull with a pickup truck. I can load it on the trailer using my other tractor and loader.

I'm in Eddyville, KY, - it's not the end of the world, but we can see it from here.

 

[LBrown59]

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That's 2 close for me.

 

[Pooh_Bear]

That's not too far away.
Nashville would be about halfway.
That's a 2-3 hour drive for us.
So 5 hours one way would be about it.
A long day trip would do it.

The hard part for me will be getting a trailer to load it on.
Will have to check on this. See what a rental costs.

Pooh Bear

 

[Pooh_Bear]

My Dad had two good questions about it.
How hard is to get a bucket for it and how much $$.
How does it hook up to the 8n hydraulic system.

And I have to convince my wife this is worth the trip.
She says 2 days and one night in a motel, + food + gas + trailer rental.
Somehow the words "free loader" don't mean as much to her....

I'll try to get some pictures and measurements of my axles soon.

Pooh Bear

 

[Soundguy]

Can't help with the price/availability for buckets.. however if you have a friend that welds.. it shouldn't be a problem to make one.


Loader could be hooked up either off a front mounted crank driven 'stinger' ump.. or other aux pump like a 'live thang' add on.. or lastly, from the N's internal pump.

To use the internal pump, you remove the corner test port plugfrom the hyd pump base and tap a hyd line in there, and then run that to your spool valve. If it is all SA stuff, it will drain back thru the same hose. if you have sophisticated valving and / or DA stuff.. you'll probably have to cobble up a return line and dump it into the tranny via the fill plug. Some buy a new fill plug and then drill a hole in it to add the return hose.

In order to get useable pressure from the corner port, you must chain your lift arms down to the axle, just as if you were testing the hydro pump with an external gauge to se what pressure the relief popped 9 detailed in the I&T fo-4 manual ). With the arms chained down.. hyd pressure is diveerted thru the corner port once you have the big hytrol handle up. On the power up/gravity down/trip bucket systems. .there was no other valving other than the n's hytrol handle.. it powereed the big lift cyls and then you use a lever to dump. If you have a power dump.. you will need extra spools.. probably OC, and then leave your hytrol handle up for power.. etc.

If using the hytrol and no other valving.. be carefull to stop the cyls once the loader is all the way up. as the N's internal relief valve will get a real workout otherwise.. it's pretty tough though. Most external spools will/may come with another relief.. some don't.

My 660 uses a tap on the hyd top cover, etc..


Soundguy

 

[Pooh_Bear]

I went out today and took pictures of my axles.
But somewhere between there and here lost them in the camera.
I did get a measurement.
From the center of the rear axle to the center of the front kingpin, 69 inches.
When it warms up again I will try again to get some pictures.

There is a bracket under the rear axle on each side,
but I think it is there for sway bars to be connected.
Thought I would ask about that tho anyway.

So far it's not looking good for this project.
Can't seem to convince wife this is worth it to come get.
May have to pass on it. : (

Pooh Bear

 

[JimR]

U-Haul $35.00 for a trailer.

 

[Soundguy]

The angle iron ( or cast if old old ). brackets under the fenders.. are indeed stabilizer bar supports.. however instalation of a loader will use these fender bolt supports also.
( so would an aftermarket rops.. )

Soundguy

 

[slydog]

Hey SG,
Think that would work on my 640? If P Bear ends up passing on it, I might be interested. I have relatives in Mayfield Ky, and that is only about a 3 hour drive from us here.

 

[Pooh_Bear]

Ken,
if you want it go ahead and get it.
Save me the trouble of figuring out whether I can get it or not.
And I don't really need it.

Pooh Bear

 

[Soundguy]

I'll measure the wheelbase of my NAA compaired to my 660 and tell you what I come up with. i know the NAA is 4" more than the 8n. It also depends on if the loader was modified already to fit another tractor. however all that said.. I would think yes.. It should fit a hundred series if it fits an NAA. Heck.. at worst you do some custom welding and make it fit. Lots of people did 'make-fit's to get those loaders on 8ns'..etc.

Soundguy

 

[slydog]

Thanks PB,
I'd love to have it, if you are sure you do not.

And thanks also Sound Guy, but you don't have to go to the trouble, although I appreciate your offer. I'll just modify it if I need to. I will probably PM you with some questions about hydraulics later though, as I know absolutely nothing about them.

 

[Pooh_Bear]

Sure Ken, I would rather see it go to someone who is sure they want it.
If I got it then it mite get used or most likely just take up space around here.
Hate to see this old stuff just rust into the ground.

Pooh Bear