Anyone actually flipped a HST CUT pulling from the 3pth?

[namesray]

I skid alot of logs/tops with my tractor and 3ph winch. I have always skidded by attaching the logs to the lower tow bar and not from the cable off the upper pulley way above the top link of the 3ph. As mentioned, if a snag occurs, it has always just picked the tractor up a bit (no where near going over backwards) and either bottoms out on the winches rear blade or just pops off the snag and I keep going. I will admit these snags are rare for me while skidding.

When I had my winch hooked to my much smaller tractor and whan winching, not skidding, it was common for me to lift the frontthe front of the tractor up pretty high, and that was with the blade dug in the ground! Placing the cable down through the lower pulley on the winch (which is below the top link and top of the rear axel) would eliminate a snag lifting the front of the tractor up off the ground. So as we all know, there is truth to the dangerous leverage pulling from a high point of the tractor can cause.

As for rather a hst or geared is more prone to an operator flipping over backwards while driving, I will say a geared tractor, or a hst in cruse control definitely increases the chance of flipping over backwards. I agree that if you are running a hst by the pedal, as soon as it starts to go up and over backwards, most peoples tendency is to just let off the pedal thus stopping forward movement or in this case backwards movement. I think peoples instinct to just let off the pedal is much quicker then push the clutch in. Also as said before, it is easier to let off pedal when tractor jerks then to push clutch pedal down when the tractor is in the process of throwing you around in a sudden movement.

I have never flipped one or rolled one, but my bil flipped a lawn mower over backwards when he climbed up a very steep hil and started to slide backwards. He stepped on the clutch/brake as he slid back, then let off clutch/brake abruptly. This caused the mower to flip over backwards. He was ok and the mower survived, but suffered a shattered hood.

 

[pycoed]

I think this is a TBN myth; that you should ONLY ever pull from the draw bar. Period. End of story.

Certainly a geared tractor can easily be flipped by pulling from above the rear axle height (i.e. the 3pth). Theoretically a HST equipped tractor can be flipped the same way if you ignored all instincts and didn't take your foot off the pedal.

So my question: has anyone actually flipped a HST CUT over backwards from pulling?

Not from a boom pole and not just getting light in the front end. Don't care if you got the front wheels off the ground. Don't care what stories you've heard about a friend of a friend. For this thread, don't care what the manual says. Don't care about geared tractors or HST tractors with cruise control engaged

Have any of YOU flipped?

Have you considered that this is a self limiting question? e.g. if every HST CUT owner that flipped from pulling died, you'd get no responses & therefore you could form the (erroneous) view that it wasn't dangerous!

 

[Luke'sScreenName]

Ha! While I appreciate your sense of humor very much, I don't think that's the explanation.

 

[Luke'sScreenName]

Anyone?

 

[4570Man]

Have you considered that this is a self limiting question? e.g. if every HST CUT owner that flipped from pulling died, you'd get no responses & therefore you could form the (erroneous) view that it wasn't dangerous!

All modern tractors have a ROPS which makes your chance of dying very slim. Has anyone even seen a news article of someone flipping a modern tractor over backwards?

 

[EdwardB]

All modern tractors have a ROPS which makes your chance of dying very slim. Has anyone even seen a news article of someone flipping a modern tractor over backwards?

If you wear your seat belt......

 

[paulfun9]

All modern tractors have a ROPS which makes your chance of dying very slim. Has anyone even seen a news article of someone flipping a modern tractor over backwards?

We buried a local about 2 years ago who flipped his HST Kubota. I am not sure on exactly how he did it but do know he was going uphill at the time. Seat belt? ROPS- fixed, down or removed? Simply don't have anything other than the tractor model and a general Idea of where it happened and direction of travel.
So yes and no ! Tractors are much safer than the old tricycle machines of years past but they can still kill you quickly!

For those who think they will automatically remove their foot from the pedal some might want to rethink that as I have personally seen people put their foot further down in panic trying to get a grip or stabilize themselves.

 

[4570Man]

If you wear your seat belt......

The tractor still won't go all the way backwards which reduces your chance of death even without a seat belt. I still don't think the HST tractor especially with a loader is going to flip backwards.

 

[4570Man]

We buried a local about 2 years ago who flipped his HST Kubota. I am not sure on exactly how he did it but do know he was going uphill at the time. Seat belt? ROPS- fixed, down or removed? Simply don't have anything other than the tractor model and a general Idea of where it happened and direction of travel. So yes and no ! Tractors are much safer than the old tricycle machines of years past but they can still kill you quickly! For those who think they will automatically remove their foot from the pedal some might want to rethink that as I have personally seen people put their foot further down in panic trying to get a grip or stabilize themselves.

Did he go over backwards? Unfortunately I have seen (read of ) plenty of side ways roll over deaths.

 

[paulfun9]

Did he go over backwards? Unfortunately I have seen (read of ) plenty of side ways roll over deaths.

I honestly cant say!
Now like you I find it hard to flip a HST over backwards during normal use but when wording used to describe an accident used by a State trooper who I have known and helped raise since he was a little boy states "he flipped it over" opposed to "he rolled it over" I got the impression he did indeed flip it over backwards going up the hill but I honestly did not ask for specifics.