Anyone got a compact dozer?????

   / Anyone got a compact dozer????? #31  
Yikes. Don't know if it was a cable rig or not. He was trying to recoup his latest repair bill on a transmission overhaul and he was asking 20k!! I'd seen some online for around 10K and I was thinking (hoping) to have it for less. Will have to keep my eyes open. That is way way out of my price range.
 
   / Anyone got a compact dozer????? #32  
Nothing wrong with a cable rig ... I think they're very cool ... PLUS you get a built-in winch!!! Might have a "pony" engine (not sure what they call them in other parts or the world) starter too!!! ... Kindof "interesting" the first time you use one but it is a proven starting system ... just another engine, clutch, drive-gears to pay attention to.
Cheers!
 
   / Anyone got a compact dozer????? #33  
My brother and I bought a 1943 Cat D6 with cable blade, 6 yard pull scraper, sub-soiler and 12 foot off set disk, plus manuals and some extra parts for a whopping $2000. /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif 3 days work to get it running (we didn't have to pay until after we had it running and agreed to purchase) 1 day to get the pony motor running, 2 to get the main engine un-stuck and running. Got it moved to my property, did some maintenance( oil, adjustments etc.) went to work disking 80 acres. I have disked it 2 times so far. This tractor has as of now paid for itself vs having rented a D6 and 16ft disc. And by the way, it does use more fuel per hour, but it uses less fuel per acre than my Case 310 dozer. Just my experience. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Brian
 
   / Anyone got a compact dozer????? #34  
Oops. Didn't mean there was anything wrong with a cable rig. I was saying yikes to the 20k sticker shock. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Maybe a D6 would be more in my price range? /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif I'll have to look into the differences of thes a bit.
 
   / Anyone got a compact dozer????? #35  
Okay I was thinking about this overnight. Not trying to be a complete idiot here but what was the primary purpose for a cable in the first place? Was this used for logging or winching or some kind of safetey?

I agree I could think of a lot of uses for a cable.
 
   / Anyone got a compact dozer????? #36  
Oh, the cable just refers to the fact that the blade was raised by a winch, usually rear mounted, with a cable run to the front, either under or over the cab and engine, and a set of pullies ... no hydraulics. The attached pic isn't too good but you can just make out a round thingy behind the cab which is the winch.
 

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   / Anyone got a compact dozer????? #37  
Way back in the old days, they used cables to control the blade. No hydraulics. Most people avoid these older dozers because of there age, difuculty in finding parts and extreme wear.

I looked at a 1969 D7 for $20,000 near Dallas before buying my dozer. It had more leaks and issues than I wanted to mess with, especially on a machine that large and old. Cat had the parts in stock to fix it, and the prices weren't bad, but I didn't want a project to work on, I wanted one to do work with.

In my opinion, Dozers under 100 hp are fine for clearing brush and grading soils. They aren't very effective at tree removal or digging massive amounts of dirt. The John Deer 450 that I ran couldn't break the surface of the red clay on my place. The guy who bought the land I sold brought in a guy with a small D5 who had to use rippers to break the surface first.

Dozers over 100hp to the mid hundreds are big enough to do most jobs you'd need. The can take out fair sized trees without to much effort and move enough dirt to make it worthwhile.

The bigger ones like a D7 and up are way overkill and unless you got a really good deal on one, I'd shy away from them. If you can afford to buy something that large, there's gotta be a reason it's being sold for so little. Big machinery costs big bucks!!!!

Just my thoughts,
Eddie
 
   / Anyone got a compact dozer????? #38  
I have no dozer experience but will relate a brief story. I have an in-law who is a farmer and who has his own shop for repairing tractors and large machinery. He maintains and repairs one of those huge articulating front end loaders (currently has engine scattered all over his shop), he has rebuilt a WWII halftrack. So he has some experience with big stuff.

In any case, he got a small/medium dozer in a trade. Hydraulics were shot, engine okay, looked beat up to me, but he was exited about it. I don't know the details since all I do is hand him tools and provide what muscle I have to offer, but apparently the bottom of the dozer is a big thick heavy 'pan' bolted to and an integral part of the chassis. Well, he later found that some of these bolts where sheared off and the holes were slightly out of line. Even with his shop (he has a huge overhead lift; I've seen his big JDs hanging from it when he does tranny work) was not sufficient for this type of repair and the cost to have it done was going to be huge. He gave up and gave the dozer away.

All that is to say that it really probably is a good idea to have a dozer person look the thing over. My in-law didn't have much of anything in it, but even he probably should have had some help from an expert.
 
   / Anyone got a compact dozer????? #39  
Belly pan, or stump pan. Yep, it's heavy, it takes a lot of abuse, and yep, it is important. Most dozers have a bolt on belly pan that is basicly a big skid plate. It could be left off in a pinch. I hadn't heard of one used as a structural member. Most folks use floor jacks to raise it into place before bolting it up. Many times the bolts are not exactly in place due to the stressful job and likelihood of the thing being smashed into a not so flat shape.

Yep, things are heavy. The items on a D8 are really much larger. Floor jacks might not build it. Still, people put this together so people can take it apart.
 

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