Anyone in the Dirt Work bidness here? Got questions!

   / Anyone in the Dirt Work bidness here? Got questions! #21  
Class A/Class B both have the same problem: A Skills Test where you bring the skills test vehicle, i.e. a truck and trailer with the trailer over 10k lb or a truck over 26k lb. I have neither.

Which makes it sound like I have to go through some sort of formal for hire training class/school, don't know.

Thoughts?

The easy thing is find a job with somebody that is willing to help you get the CDL, that has a truck. You aren't going over the road so the trucking school is a bit much, but it would be an avenue to the CDL. And would teach you basics on how these trucks work.
A dump truck is a different animal compared to a over the road truck.
The biggest thing is you need seat time with somebody that knows WTF they are doing. My biggest advice is ask questions till you understand and have seen it done. And be patient on the license. Experience is the best teacher that will keep the wheels upright.
 
   / Anyone in the Dirt Work bidness here? Got questions! #22  
Nothin tests the temperment of a contractor like an inexperienced truck driver on a job site. Especially concrete truck and dump truck drivers. :eek:
 
   / Anyone in the Dirt Work bidness here? Got questions! #23  
Nothin tests the temperment of a contractor like an inexperienced truck driver on a job site. Especially concrete truck and dump truck drivers. :eek:
LMAO so true,, the track hoe loading and the dozer spreading too..
 
   / Anyone in the Dirt Work bidness here? Got questions! #24  
I would avoid spending time and money getting a CDL if you don't need it or don't have a job that would pay for it. Because it won't help much if you have no practical experience. Not really the case for new drivers out of school because they will get hired on and trained by a carrier or company as a full time employee.

On the other hand, guys that show up when they are supposed to are hard to find. The labor market is starving for people.

With you're engineering knowledge you should be able to master the use of grading tools like lasers and GPS systems. Young guys seem to understand the tech, but not the principals. Old experienced guys get the principals but not the tech. Setting grades, doing lay-outs, staking etc. is not extremely difficult and yet its hard to find people who can do these things and adjust if something changes.
 
   / Anyone in the Dirt Work bidness here? Got questions! #25  
When I worked as an apprentice electrician in the 80s, we were on a multi tower high rise project. They sent me down one tower through parking garages and up another tower to get the BX stretcher!

I always did want to get my license before I die. I too thought about finding a electrical contractor who might hire me part time. I spoke to one, who complained how terribly busy he was and could not find good or reliable (in the long term, he trains them, they leave) people. I mentioned my interest, and was sure in the insuing silence, I might have heard crickets! lol He did not bite at all.
 
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   / Anyone in the Dirt Work bidness here? Got questions!
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I would avoid spending time and money getting a CDL if you don't need it or don't have a job that would pay for it. Because it won't help much if you have no practical experience. Not really the case for new drivers out of school because they will get hired on and trained by a carrier or company as a full time employee.

On the other hand, guys that show up when they are supposed to are hard to find. The labor market is starving for people.

With you're engineering knowledge you should be able to master the use of grading tools like lasers and GPS systems. Young guys seem to understand the tech, but not the principals. Old experienced guys get the principals but not the tech. Setting grades, doing lay-outs, staking etc. is not extremely difficult and yet its hard to find people who can do these things and adjust if something changes.

Funny you should mention lasers and GPS: I'm in the market for both so I can lay out the distances for my two rifle ranges. I stopped at several pawn shops today with no joy; lots of tools but no lasers. Thanks for the input!
 
   / Anyone in the Dirt Work bidness here? Got questions! #27  
Class A/Class B both have the same problem: A Skills Test where you bring the skills test vehicle, i.e. a truck and trailer with the trailer over 10k lb or a truck over 26k lb. I have neither.

Which makes it sound like I have to go through some sort of formal for hire training class/school, don't know.

Thoughts?

This is the issue you will run into. To get the CDL, you must have a CDL job and qualified vehicle. If the vehicle you use gives you restrictions, those will limit the jobs you're qualified for. A truck driving school is more focused on OTR, but will get you the ability to check all the boxes (even some experience).

This industry is so heavily regulated, it isn't going to be a good retirement job, for someone out of their element. The truck driving also requires a Medical Card. Other requirements may apply, based on weight and distance. If you're near a State line and not in a Commercial Zone, hold onto your lugnuts....it's going to be bumpy. All of this costs money, in one way, or the other. Another plug for a school, if you don't know the regulations on tie-downs, log books, permits, mud flap requirements, inspections, etc.

How you are thinking this will go and how it is are not very similar. On the surface, it's simple. The machinery isn't overly complicated, it's fun to have a job where you have accomplished something, and it's work that always needs done. In reality, liability insurance for an employee to dig under my company name is going to cost more than I can afford to charge; especially, a part-time one. Workman's comp, liability insurance, DOT regulations, etc are all based on full-time employees. The minimum for Workman's Comp assumes an annual salary of over $30,000. For me to hire you, and pay the required operating expenses, you're going to have to do $1,000 an hour of work for a full time person's $100 per hour. Then, if you quit, the pro-rated amounts are still going to screw me.
 
   / Anyone in the Dirt Work bidness here? Got questions! #28  
If I were you I would just take that tractor of yours and try drumming up more driveway repair work. Work for yourself. Start an LLC for it, or not. That's what my neighbor did and I didn't think it was going anywhere but he's started getting more work than he can handle alone, and dragging me into it. Asking me if I can go spread gravel for him here or there with my own tractor (paid work of course).
 
   / Anyone in the Dirt Work bidness here? Got questions! #29  
If I were you I would just take that tractor of yours and try drumming up more driveway repair work. Work for yourself. Start an LLC for it, or not. That's what my neighbor did and I didn't think it was going anywhere but he's started getting more work than he can handle alone, and dragging me into it. Asking me if I can go spread gravel for him here or there with my own tractor (paid work of course).

Yes, exactly this. I have an old backhoe and do little jobs around the way and it's a great business. Just use your equipment, maybe buy some more as it becomes necessary or possible. Like a little delivery dump truck or something for gravel and hauling your tractor.
 
   / Anyone in the Dirt Work bidness here? Got questions! #30  
I have a backhoe and 2 dump trucks and a tractor. I really need to add this to my fleet. IMG_1999.JPG
 

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