Buying Advice Appropriate Tractor?

   / Appropriate Tractor? #1  

woolyAcres

Platinum Member
Joined
Jun 10, 2010
Messages
789
Location
Western PA
Tractor
Antonio Carraro TTR 4400
I'm helping my father as he searches for a new tractor. I've been impressed with the Bobcat line of CUT, but he's uncertain. He's got 120 acres, partially wooded; partially pastures (brush hogged), and partially farmed (mowed, baled, seeded). It's varying terrain, but not overly hilly; wet is probably more a problem than hilly.

He has a 90HP Case to use for the "real" farming, but he could use something more dependable for everyday chores: getting firewood, brush hogging, FEL for cleaning the barn, seeder, back blade, etc. His Case can do anything he needs it to (except it lacks a bucket) however, it often needs some attention before being put to use.

I'd like him to get something in the 35-50hp range (with bucket) to clean out the barn, spread manure (off pto) run the brush hog, maybe the mower machine, the hay rake, and possibly a small square baler, and to move round bales (5' and as much as 1500lbs).

To me the most important thing is that the tractor be easy to use, dependable, small enough to fit in the barn, but strong enough to dig the manure out. He currently has a David Brown (50hp I think) which does the barn cleaning but that machine no longer steers very well and the loader runs through fluid almost as fast as it can be poured in. It it has other problems that make using it much more difficult that just starting it up. This is the tractor that the CUT would replace. Moving round bales would be its major job in winter and spring. Moving them with pallet forks, or front spear is preferable, but doing it on the 3-pt hitch is a must.

Over time he might use if for tilling his 1 acre garden and for moving snow in winter, but he currently does without that. We've looked at the CT445 and I think he got a quote a couple months back. Loader included ~$19k. That seemed like a good deal, but he wasn't sure Bobcat was a great place to spend his money. He's concerned about tractor reputation, build quality, dependability, parts availability, etc.

Someone he has purchased from in the past told him to buy Red, Green, or Blue, which sounds good until you price them. He's is shopping for a used John Deere 1990s 5000 series, but they aren't easy to come by in his area and they would be used, well out of warranty and I believe bigger than necessary and not as dependable because of age and previous use. Anyone care to comment on whether the CT445 would be a good choice for his uses? A fair price at $19k w/FEL? What about build quality, durability, etc.

Kind regards,
Peter
 
Last edited:
   / Appropriate Tractor? #2  
I have the 235 and just love it.Plenty power,very easy on fuel and just does everthing I ask of it.A couple minor troubles but very easy warranty fixes.The last bigger tractor I was using was a farmall H and the 235 will work circles around that.Dave
 
   / Appropriate Tractor? #3  
[Moving round bales would be its major job in winter and spring. Moving them with pallet forks, or front spear is preferable, but doing it on the 3-pt hitch is a must.
/QUOTE]

Sounds like this is the deciding factor. With that in mind you have a lot of shopping to do. Take some time and look at all the solutions.:D
 
   / Appropriate Tractor? #4  
I always found it hard to get my dad to quickly change off of things. He also wasn't easy to get to like something, just because I did. After awhile, he'd often come around if he saw what I saw in something, but he had to own the affection himself. Best wishes in helping him out. Don't kid yourself. Even though he may not say it or show it, he loves that you care and take an interest.
 
   / Appropriate Tractor?
  • Thread Starter
#5  
Thanks for the responses so far.

crusty 1: I've lots of good things about the ct235. My concern is that the loader capacity will not be large enough to move bales. That's why we were looking at the larger machines. Anyone out there with 440/445/450 experience?

Egon: I agree, the FEL and ability to move bales is primary; do you have any suggestions for other machines (brands) in this category?

bp fick: I'm helping him less because he asked me to and more because I want him to find a machine that will 1) meet his needs 2) be useful longterm and allow him to continue doing what he enjoys, 3) be something he can afford. I'm partial to the new tractors because they carry warranties and I assume (maybe incorrectly) will be more dependable over the short and middle term (10 years). But in the end it's his money and needs to be his decision. I'm just trying to present some options. I believe having a number of options and opinions is useful when making such a big decision. And I fear anyone who says "Buy green, blue, or red" without giving support for this "argument". I understand that a tractor's reputation is important, but I also know that quality goes up and down and new players enter the market. Someone who knew everything there was to know about tractors in the 50s but hasn't been paying attention recently may not know what's available, or even what's good in the modern marketplace.

Keep the good feedback coming!

Thanks,
Peter
 
   / Appropriate Tractor? #6  
For what its worth. I have the CT230 and lift 800lb+ (4-5 foot) round bales with the loader. I use a quicktach double spear on the front. So, 800lbs + 150lb spears can be lifted without loaded tires or a rear ballast. I can easily stack them 2 high with it.
 
   / Appropriate Tractor? #7  
I agree, the FEL and ability to move bales is primary

Either new or used it may come down to the final pricing and condition if used.
So it should be shopping time involving your Dad.:D

Dealership trips looking and browsing the equipment trader sites to help narrow down the options.

It may almost seem as if a larger tractor than originally anticipated may be in the books if the Case is starting to show it's age?
 
   / Appropriate Tractor? #8  
From what you describe, I would look at a Mahindra. I have had Kubota's, Kioti and now Bobcat but if I had a large place and wanted the best bang for the buck it would have to be Mahindra. And, I would look at the Indian built ones, not the rebadged ones. They are powerful, heavy and I think they have a long warranty. I was interested in the 4530 myself but it was too big for my place and my wallet. But the Indian machines are direct inject which means no glow plugs and better cold starting and they are also sleeved engines, may not matter in your circumstances but it would appeal to me for the long haul. I also think they have wet brakes and fully synchro trannys but no hydro though.
 
   / Appropriate Tractor? #9  
I have a 225 and like it but on a farm your size I can see a larger tractor being more useful. A 3 series Bobcat would give you more weight ,strength and loader capacity. I have heard that they can be found for $1500-$2500 more.
 
   / Appropriate Tractor? #10  
I have a CT450 SST I think it would do anything I ask, something to consider is what if the big tractor stops for some reason and you really need to get something done or moved that 450 sure would be nice.

My loader will pick up alot of weight, out of the box it did 2600 easy and now does 3000lbs.

The SST shuttle shift tranny gives lot of speed and power options, it puts alot of power to the ground. I can go on and on about some of the amazing things this mid sized tractor has done for me.

Goand drive the CT450 SST you might just come home with one:D
 
   / Appropriate Tractor? #11  
Thanks for the responses so far.

crusty 1: I've lots of good things about the ct235. My concern is that the loader capacity will not be large enough to move bales. That's why we were looking at the larger machines. Anyone out there with 440/445/450 experience?

Egon: I agree, the FEL and ability to move bales is primary; do you have any suggestions for other machines (brands) in this category?

bp fick: I'm helping him less because he asked me to and more because I want him to find a machine that will 1) meet his needs 2) be useful longterm and allow him to continue doing what he enjoys, 3) be something he can afford. I'm partial to the new tractors because they carry warranties and I assume (maybe incorrectly) will be more dependable over the short and middle term (10 years). But in the end it's his money and needs to be his decision. I'm just trying to present some options. I believe having a number of options and opinions is useful when making such a big decision. And I fear anyone who says "Buy green, blue, or red" without giving support for this "argument". I understand that a tractor's reputation is important, but I also know that quality goes up and down and new players enter the market. Someone who knew everything there was to know about tractors in the 50s but hasn't been paying attention recently may not know what's available, or even what's good in the modern marketplace.

Keep the good feedback coming!

Thanks,
Peter

The bob cats ,I and my dealer believe are rated on the low side.I use mine often to haul gravel from the niegbors pit 1&1/2 miles away.I know I,ve had 1,500 pounds in my 1250 rated tractor and only bucket size limits what it will carry.I will add a few inches to the bucket after my warranty is up.Full load of damp gravel , 1 finger steering.This tractor has never done less than amaze me.Been farming and around farming my whole life using many tractors and the 235 is just a gem.For what you,ve talked about needing I don,t think you could miss.Just my opinion and you know what they say about those!:laughing::laughing:Dave
 
   / Appropriate Tractor? #12  
Egon: I agree, the FEL and ability to move bales is primary; do you have any suggestions for other machines (brands) in this category?

[Someone who knew everything there was to know about tractors in the 50s but hasn't been paying attention recently may not know what's available, or even what's good in the modern marketplace.
/QUOTE]

I'd like to help but your last comment says a lot about me. I'm out of date so I can only make generalized comments.:eek::D
 
   / Appropriate Tractor?
  • Thread Starter
#13  
Again, I'd like to thank everyone for their comments.

I was out with my dad over the weekend looking at some local dealerships. He's got his eye on a used Ford 2120. Seems a fine tractor, but the wear and tear don't seem to match up with the hours (1270). He's going to talk to the owner to see what's going on. I think the 2120 is selling for $12,500 with FEL. It also has a backhoe attached which is $5200.

My preference is still for a new machine that has a warranty. That's worth some amount of money, but since it's not my money....

One of the brands we looked at Saturday evening was LS. Does anyone know anything about them?

Egon: I'm not disparaging those with 50+ years of tractor knowledge/use. I'm just suspicious of claims for tractor A, B, or C without reasons to back it up. Your comments have been very helpful.

bbse: Thanks for the suggestion. I think he did look at Mahindra but they were a bit more expensive and not very near (100 miles? I think). My dad was also warned against them because "they've been bankrupt 3 times". I think that comment came from the same person who said "buy Green, Red, or Blue" and I have no idea if it's true.

crusty1: It's nice to know that bobcats are a bit more capable than their specs suggest. The loader that this new machine needs to replace is a David Brown. I'd guess it's 25+ years old and 50-60HP. My dad commented that when his 8ft JD mower machine was delivered, he used his DB FEL to lift it off the trailer. The new machine need not be that hefty, but maybe it will turn out to be that capable.

Several have warned about having a tractor large enough to fill in when the Case goes down. That's an important suggestion. I hope that 45HP new would be able to pick up some of the slack, but how does one coax a less than 90HP tractor to fill in for a 90HP tractor? The reason he's not shopping for a big (100HP) machine is that, 1) he has one and 2) he needs something small enough (physically) to maneuver in his barn. Height and width are concerns for this.

I believe that this new 45-50HP machine will do most of the daily work. When the Case is needed (round baling, plowing, discing) it will just have to be available. I'm not sure there's any way around this. But if the Case isn't needed daily, spending a day getting it ready isn't a big deal around this farm. It's mostly a hobby farm so if things have to wait a day, heads don't need to roll.

tinman955: The HP difference between the 445 and 450 isn't that great. What do you think would be missing on the 445 relative to the 450?

How large a machine is needed to run a 6 foot brushhog (in some pretty thick stuff, at least at first)?

Again, thanks to all for the comments. I think this is going to get sorted by the end of the month. At least that's when Bobcat's free FEL deal ends.
 
   / Appropriate Tractor?
  • Thread Starter
#14  
tinman955-

I think a trip to the Bobcat dealership to test out the hyrdo vs SST is worth doing. I see you are in PA, so is my dad. What dealership did you work with? Are you satisfied?

My dad's in the NW part of the state about 45 minutes from Bobcat of Waterford.

Regards,
Peter
 
   / Appropriate Tractor? #16  
wooly I sent you a PM as well, I just bought from waterford.
 
   / Appropriate Tractor? #17  
all the bobcat tractors or is a kioti so as long as there is kioti there will be parts but a 2120 ford nh is a real good little tractor
 
   / Appropriate Tractor? #18  
Egon: I'm not disparaging those with 50+ years of tractor knowledge/use. I'm just suspicious of claims for tractor A, B, or C without reasons to back it up.

But you should for as Ive stated many of us old folks are out of touch. And I take no offense to such as it is the case!:thumbsup:
 
   / Appropriate Tractor? #19  
wooly,I,d suggest you find a dealer you,re confident in and ask for demo,s it,s the only way you and your dad will know for sure.It,s a big purchase no matter how you slice it and you,ll want to be sure.:thumbsup:Dave
 
   / Appropriate Tractor?
  • Thread Starter
#20  
crusty_1: That's a great idea. In fact, the nearest Bobcat dealer has offered to bring a machine by the farm for him to test. To be honest I think that made the old man a bit nervous. What if he really liked it? He'd have to buy it and when the dealer offered this, he was enjoying shopping but wasn't ready to spend $20K. I think mentally he's getting closer. It's a big purchase and I want him to get the right tractor AND be happy with it. But without driving/testing any, it's basically window shopping....

Peter
 

Tractor & Equipment Auctions

2013 Freightliner Bucket Truck (A55973)
2013 Freightliner...
Crown RM6025-45 4,500 LB Stand-On Electric Forklift (A59228)
Crown RM6025-45...
2012 Chevrolet Traverse LT SUV (A59231)
2012 Chevrolet...
2007 MACK GRANITE CV713 DUMP TRUCK (A60430)
2007 MACK GRANITE...
2021 Ford F-150 XL (A53317)
2021 Ford F-150 XL...
Redirective Crash Cushion Guardrail (A59230)
Redirective Crash...
 
Top