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woolyAcres

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I'm helping my father as he searches for a new tractor. I've been impressed with the Bobcat line of CUT, but he's uncertain. He's got 120 acres, partially wooded; partially pastures (brush hogged), and partially farmed (mowed, baled, seeded). It's varying terrain, but not overly hilly; wet is probably more a problem than hilly.

He has a 90HP Case to use for the "real" farming, but he could use something more dependable for everyday chores: getting firewood, brush hogging, FEL for cleaning the barn, seeder, back blade, etc. His Case can do anything he needs it to (except it lacks a bucket) however, it often needs some attention before being put to use.

I'd like him to get something in the 35-50hp range (with bucket) to clean out the barn, spread manure (off pto) run the brush hog, maybe the mower machine, the hay rake, and possibly a small square baler, and to move round bales (5' and as much as 1500lbs).

To me the most important thing is that the tractor be easy to use, dependable, small enough to fit in the barn, but strong enough to dig the manure out. He currently has a David Brown (50hp I think) which does the barn cleaning but that machine no longer steers very well and the loader runs through fluid almost as fast as it can be poured in. It it has other problems that make using it much more difficult that just starting it up. This is the tractor that the CUT would replace. Moving round bales would be its major job in winter and spring. Moving them with pallet forks, or front spear is preferable, but doing it on the 3-pt hitch is a must.

Over time he might use if for tilling his 1 acre garden and for moving snow in winter, but he currently does without that. We've looked at the CT445 and I think he got a quote a couple months back. Loader included ~$19k. That seemed like a good deal, but he wasn't sure Bobcat was a great place to spend his money. He's concerned about tractor reputation, build quality, dependability, parts availability, etc.

Someone he has purchased from in the past told him to buy Red, Green, or Blue, which sounds good until you price them. He's is shopping for a used John Deere 1990s 5000 series, but they aren't easy to come by in his area and they would be used, well out of warranty and I believe bigger than necessary and not as dependable because of age and previous use. Anyone care to comment on whether the CT445 would be a good choice for his uses? A fair price at $19k w/FEL? What about build quality, durability, etc.

Kind regards,
Peter
 
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   / Appropriate Tractor? #2  
I have the 235 and just love it.Plenty power,very easy on fuel and just does everthing I ask of it.A couple minor troubles but very easy warranty fixes.The last bigger tractor I was using was a farmall H and the 235 will work circles around that.Dave
 
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[Moving round bales would be its major job in winter and spring. Moving them with pallet forks, or front spear is preferable, but doing it on the 3-pt hitch is a must.
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Sounds like this is the deciding factor. With that in mind you have a lot of shopping to do. Take some time and look at all the solutions.:D
 
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I always found it hard to get my dad to quickly change off of things. He also wasn't easy to get to like something, just because I did. After awhile, he'd often come around if he saw what I saw in something, but he had to own the affection himself. Best wishes in helping him out. Don't kid yourself. Even though he may not say it or show it, he loves that you care and take an interest.
 
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Thanks for the responses so far.

crusty 1: I've lots of good things about the ct235. My concern is that the loader capacity will not be large enough to move bales. That's why we were looking at the larger machines. Anyone out there with 440/445/450 experience?

Egon: I agree, the FEL and ability to move bales is primary; do you have any suggestions for other machines (brands) in this category?

bp fick: I'm helping him less because he asked me to and more because I want him to find a machine that will 1) meet his needs 2) be useful longterm and allow him to continue doing what he enjoys, 3) be something he can afford. I'm partial to the new tractors because they carry warranties and I assume (maybe incorrectly) will be more dependable over the short and middle term (10 years). But in the end it's his money and needs to be his decision. I'm just trying to present some options. I believe having a number of options and opinions is useful when making such a big decision. And I fear anyone who says "Buy green, blue, or red" without giving support for this "argument". I understand that a tractor's reputation is important, but I also know that quality goes up and down and new players enter the market. Someone who knew everything there was to know about tractors in the 50s but hasn't been paying attention recently may not know what's available, or even what's good in the modern marketplace.

Keep the good feedback coming!

Thanks,
Peter
 
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For what its worth. I have the CT230 and lift 800lb+ (4-5 foot) round bales with the loader. I use a quicktach double spear on the front. So, 800lbs + 150lb spears can be lifted without loaded tires or a rear ballast. I can easily stack them 2 high with it.
 
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I agree, the FEL and ability to move bales is primary

Either new or used it may come down to the final pricing and condition if used.
So it should be shopping time involving your Dad.:D

Dealership trips looking and browsing the equipment trader sites to help narrow down the options.

It may almost seem as if a larger tractor than originally anticipated may be in the books if the Case is starting to show it's age?
 
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From what you describe, I would look at a Mahindra. I have had Kubota's, Kioti and now Bobcat but if I had a large place and wanted the best bang for the buck it would have to be Mahindra. And, I would look at the Indian built ones, not the rebadged ones. They are powerful, heavy and I think they have a long warranty. I was interested in the 4530 myself but it was too big for my place and my wallet. But the Indian machines are direct inject which means no glow plugs and better cold starting and they are also sleeved engines, may not matter in your circumstances but it would appeal to me for the long haul. I also think they have wet brakes and fully synchro trannys but no hydro though.
 
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I have a 225 and like it but on a farm your size I can see a larger tractor being more useful. A 3 series Bobcat would give you more weight ,strength and loader capacity. I have heard that they can be found for $1500-$2500 more.
 
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I have a CT450 SST I think it would do anything I ask, something to consider is what if the big tractor stops for some reason and you really need to get something done or moved that 450 sure would be nice.

My loader will pick up alot of weight, out of the box it did 2600 easy and now does 3000lbs.

The SST shuttle shift tranny gives lot of speed and power options, it puts alot of power to the ground. I can go on and on about some of the amazing things this mid sized tractor has done for me.

Goand drive the CT450 SST you might just come home with one:D
 

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