Are prices like this everywhere?

   / Are prices like this everywhere? #141  
I’m not up to speed as I never had a loan except for First Mortgages… no car, student, consumer ever.

I do have a credit card I use for business but not once have I carried over a balance.

There must be something the credit rating companies are missing but I don’t know what?
They aren't missing anything. You've had a long history of using your available credit wisely and making payments on time. The end.

Congrats on the success, by the way. (y) ;)
 
   / Are prices like this everywhere? #142  
Also, I have to ask if you even read the article that graphic came from and what those categories mean, and how they use those categories to determine your credit score.


Some highlights, bolded by me.

Payment History​

Your payment history, as it appears in your credit report, is typically the most important category in determining your credit scores. Within this category, the scoring models consider:

  • On-time payments: A history of paying your bills on time is good for your credit scores.
  • Late payments: Payments made over 30 days late will typically be reported by your lender and hurt your credit scores. How far behind you are on a bill payment, the number of accounts that show late payments and whether you've brought the accounts current are all factors.
  • Public records: Filing bankruptcy can significantly hurt your credit scores.

Amounts Owed​

Amounts owed, or your credit usage, comes just after payment history in importance when determining credit scores. In part, this category includes how much you owe on loans and how many of your accounts have balances. The main consideration in this category, however, is your credit utilization ratio.

Your credit utilization ratio, or rate, is determined by comparing the current balances with the credit limits on your revolving accounts, mainly credit cards. To calculate your credit utilization ratio, add up the balances on all your credit card accounts, divide that number by the sum of all your credit card limits, and multiple by 100 to get a percentage. That percentage is your utilization ratio, and generally, lower utilization ratios are better for credit scores.

Credit scoring models look at each revolving account's utilization rate as well as the overall rate across all accounts. In either case, it's best to keep your utilization under 30%. Those with the best credit scores tend to use under 10% of their available credit.


Length of Credit History​

Responsibly managing credit accounts over a long period of time can help your credit scores.

New Credit​

(ME: Pluses and minuses that cancel each other out.)

Types of Credit Accounts​

Credit scoring models may also look for experience managing both revolving and installment credit accounts. Having a mix of accounts can help your scores.

Some credit scores are built for specific types of creditors, such as credit card issuers or auto lenders. Your experience with the correlated types of accounts could be more important for these types of scores.

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Back to me again:

So there you are.
They are looking for people that make their payments on time, are using a small percentage of their available credit, have done so over long periods of time, don't really care about new credit, and don't really care about the types of credit accounts as long as you manage them well.

I feel we just took a giant step back with this. Now you think I need a principles lesson on definitions. LOL.

When you can show me mathematically how it's possible to have a high credit score with no desire to carry any credit...get back to me.
 
   / Are prices like this everywhere? #144  
Also...I guess some people can claim a good score is 670. That is not my definition though...

Having three different descriptions for good is confusing. I believe good to be 825+

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   / Are prices like this everywhere? #146  
They aren't missing anything. You've had a long history of using your available credit wisely and making payments on time. The end.

Congrats on the success, by the way. (y) ;)
It really wasn't me... it was time around my Grandmother who was cash and carry and who drove home the evils of credit. She would say if a person doesn't have cash in hand they have no business buying...

When I got a Sears card she let it be know how disappointed she was... I had to promise to never carry a balance and it's a promise I keep.

She would point to homes foreclosed during the 1930's depression...

Folks doing anything they could to keep their home but couldn't pay what they owed and most were up against the wall because savings and credit maxed in the stock market...

Looking back I appreciate the wisdom of my elders only wanting to make sure we were aware of pitfalls to avoid.
 
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   / Are prices like this everywhere? #147  
It really wasn't me... it was time around my Grandmother who was cash and carry and who drove home the evils of credit. She would say if a person doesn't have cash in hand they have no business buying...

She would point to homes foreclosed during the 1930's depression...

Folks doing anything they could to keep their home but couldn't pay what they owed and most were up against the wall because savings and credit maxed in the stock.market...

question for you...

If in 2008 the bank called you up and said, Mr. Ultra, we were looking at your account and due to the laws of marking to market, we find your too over leveraged on your real estate portfolio. Subsequently we will need you to bring up your collateral reserves by $500,000 or will will ask that the second mortgage will be due in full in 60 days.

Would you have enough cash on hand to meet that margin call on your leveraged money? Would you have to sell properties at a fire sale price to meet that obligation to preserve the overall investment?
 
   / Are prices like this everywhere? #148  
I've always had excellent credit, 99% of the time have an excess $$ on one credit card and zero on the other, no mortgage, no bills in arrears. Saying that, I wonder why my credit score is dropping. Only thing I've done lately credit wise is changed from Capitol One to CIBC since Costco changed and I've retired in April which the bank wouldn't know about.
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   / Are prices like this everywhere? #149  
Just like every train locomotive for many decades.
Not exactly. Diesel electric locomotives only use batteries for starting the prime mover (diesel), that turns an alternator (or in some cases a DC generator) that powers the traction motors. Batteries have nothing to do with other than starting the engine. With a hybrid, an internal combustion engine also powers a generator-alternator that keeps the batteries charged and the batteries provide current to the drive motors.

If I was to ever 'go green' which I won't, I'd buy a hybrid like a Toyota Prius not a plug in battery powered vehicle.
 
   / Are prices like this everywhere? #150  
Also...I guess some people can claim a good score is 670. That is not my definition though...

Having three different descriptions for good is confusing. I believe good to be 825+

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Myself, I put very little credence in credit scores, even though mine is always high. means nothing to me as I don't buy on credit as a rule.
 
   / Are prices like this everywhere? #151  
In 2008 everything was actually paid for… equity subsequently took a bath to the extreme but rents were stable and was able to work out a payment plan for two renters having trouble.

The home next to me sold for 510k in 2008 to two hardworking brothers from Mexico who had a landscaping company… they walked away back to Mexico and 18 months later the bank sold the home for 100k. Last year the same home sold just under 800k.

I’ve never put down less than 25% and more typical 40%.

The clerk at Safeway bought 5 homes and lost 4 but two new homes were basically closing costs for down payment.

Many that walked… including several Docs did strategic defaults… even a lawyer I know did… they bought better homes for way less money in same neighborhood school district and Gave Back the first homes that had loans of 500-800k more than value 2009-12
 
   / Are prices like this everywhere?
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I believe that buying the cheapest home in a nice neighborhood is one of the best real estate investments. Having an expensive house in a neighborhood of low class homes is the worse. I bought my first home in 1973 for $15,000 in a neighborhood that everyone wanted to live in but it was the worst house in the area. I lived in it 1 year until I inherited my parents home and then I rented it out until last year.

After all expenses paid I collected rent of over $500,000 in 2022 dollars. Last year hurricane Ida destroyed it and it had to be torn down so I sold it as is. It sold for $135,000. This prompted me to make similar investments over the years and I feel they were very good to me.
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   / Are prices like this everywhere? #154  
I feel we just took a giant step back with this. Now you think I need a principles lesson on definitions. LOL.

When you can show me mathematically how it's possible to have a high credit score with no desire to carry any credit...get back to me.
I already showed you. Several others have showed you.
 
   / Are prices like this everywhere? #155  
Also...I guess some people can claim a good score is 670. That is not my definition though...

Having three different descriptions for good is confusing. I believe good to be 825+

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Apparently the industry says above 670 is good. By that chart, my kids are good and very good, and my wife and I are exceptional.
 
   / Are prices like this everywhere? #156  
I already showed you. Several others have showed you.
not mathematically you haven't.

You are tying to prove in the abstract. No-one has ever convinced anyone in the abstract.
 
   / Are prices like this everywhere? #157  
Just like every train locomotive for many decades.
Toyota Pruis is a parallel hybrid, which means it can run on gas, battery, or both. If the battery is charged, and it runs out of gas, it can still move.

Diesel powered locomotive runs out of diesel, it stops.
 
   / Are prices like this everywhere? #158  
not mathematically you haven't.

You are tying to prove in the abstract. No-one has ever convinced anyone in the abstract.
Well then, here's some math...

My payment history, never missed a payment = excellent 35%
My amounts owed is zero = 30%
My new credit is minimal, but has little effect on my score = 9%
My credit history is long = 15%
My credit mix is not that large = 6%

Total = 95%

95% of 850 = about 805, which happens to be pretty close to my and my wife's credit scores.

Several of us have told you that we're debt free, carry zero balances on our credit cards, and have really good credit scores. I'm not sure why you can't believe that, but apparently that's the case.


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   / Are prices like this everywhere? #159  
When screening tenants good credit was not the norm...

So we went with no bad credit such as charge offs which many had, no evictions and two suitable references...

Screening opens ones eyes as to how can someone in their 20-30's have pages of charge offs?

Utilities, Jewelry, Cable, Cell Phone, Car Notes round off the top...

Sometimes we would have a large medical as a stand alone or Bankruptcy.

If a person lies or has an eviction no.point going further.

Sad part is some parents/family members destroy their children's credit...

One young lady had a huge file... her mother was using her child's social...
 

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