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[JasperFrank]

People with military back grounds were always the best I've ever worked with. Unless they were front line in combat. Then, well, you have to deal with a few long term, psychological issues they have never resolved about killing other people. These are deeply damaged individuals. And in a way, can never be normal and happy with life.

And there isn't a way to fix it.

This is what wars do. War is not an acid test of proving virtue, like so many in history have said it was. It creates a person, that doesn't give a damn: A time bomb. I've worked with these folks for 12 years. They are still messed up and you just never know what the set off points are. I really started to dislike, working with combat veterans in the sphere of community service.... Community Service forces you to be a bit heavy duty in all areas. I also had to deal with recent people out of jail. I also didn't like them. Which would sometimes interact with the combat vets: This never worked well for the people out of jail, or the Vet.

We give 501C corp to any one. This how our charities work.

We have be very clear of what, and why, we do tell these people to do things that are horrific in any future wars. And there have to be better reasons then, we have asked them to do, in the past 30 years. They, that were in combat, come back as problems. They are problems. We have to recognize this. Being trained to kill other people, with a lack of compassion, isn't a good thing. This is the lament, I get from recent warriors.

We have to have another war. We always have to have another war. This time with China in its seas, and some little island, and The Russian Republic over the Ukraine. WHY? All over again, the escalation of it. The same old proxies wars.

Ask Why? Come up with good reasons. Cause most of you don't have to deal with the fall out. I have, and its messed me up mentally dealing with what is left over.

 

[bigtiller]

^^^ Agree JF....I worked with a few guys that were straight out of the jungles of Vietnam. One guy was still suffering the effects of malaria and stuttered so bad he could hardly talk. Two others were very quick to fight past the point of winning. And another guy loved it when the power went out in the warehouse. He liked to sneak around in the dark and scare the b-Jesus out of people.

 

[MossRoad]

...Conscientious objectors can do 4 years in a reboot of the CCC.

I knew two men that were COs at my last job. Both were for religious reasons. One served as a medic in the Army in Vietnam, and the other served as an ambulance driver here for a local entity.

The government already has provisions for conscientious objectors to do the same amount of time in service as someone that was conscripted (usually 2 years).

Pay special attention to the Two types of service available for COs.

from here:

Selective Service Systems > About > Alternative Service > Conscientious Objector

Conscientious Objection and Alternative Service​

Conscientious Objectors​

Today, ALL conscientious objectors are still required to register with the Selective Service System. A conscientious objector is one who is opposed to serving in the armed forces and/or bearing arms on the grounds of moral or religious principles.

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WHEN THERE IS A DRAFT –

How to Apply: In general, once a man gets a notice that he has been found qualified for military service, he has the opportunity to make a claim for classification as a conscientious objector (CO). A registrant making a claim for conscientious objection is required to appear before his local board to explain his beliefs.

He may provide written documentation or include personal appearances by people he knows who can attest to his claims. His written statement might explain:

• how he arrived at his beliefs; and
• the influence his beliefs have had on how he lives his life.

The local board will decide whether to grant or deny a CO classification based on the evidence a registrant has presented. A man may appeal a local board's decision to a Selective Service district appeal board. If the appeal board also denies his claim, but the vote is not unanimous, he may further appeal the decision to the national appeal board.

WHO QUALIFIES?

Beliefs which qualify a registrant for CO status may be religious in nature, but don't have to be. Beliefs may be moral or ethical; however, a man’s reasons for not wanting to participate in a war must not be based on politics, expediency, or self-interest. In general, the man’s lifestyle prior to making his claim must reflect his current claims.

SERVICE AS A CONSCIENTIOUS OBJECTOR

Two types of service are available to conscientious objectors, and the type assigned is determined by the individual’s specific beliefs. The person who is opposed to any form of military service will be assigned to alternative service - described below. The person whose beliefs allow him to serve in the military but in a noncombatant capacity will serve in the Armed Forces but will not be assigned training or duties that include using weapons.

ALTERNATIVE SERVICE

Conscientious objectors opposed to serving in the military will be placed in the Selective Service Alternative Service Program. This program attempts to match COs with local employers. Many types of jobs are available, however the job must be deemed to make a meaningful contribution to the maintenance of the national health, safety, and interest. Examples of alternative service are jobs in:

• conservation
• caring for the very young or very old
• education
• health care

Length of service in the program will equal the amount of time a man would have served in the military, usually 24 months.

 

[Torvy]

I am aware. I think the current system of alternative service does not instill the appropriate level of discipline and sacrifice. I also figure that those who do not potentially risk life and limb should be required to serve longer than those who do. (If I were in charge, actual combat duty would double or triple service time toward retirement, or at least add to the years of service for calculating retirement pay for regular military/reserves/NG)

 

[Hay Dude]

People with military back grounds were always the best I've ever worked with. Unless they were front line in combat. Then, well, you have to deal with a few long term, psychological issues they have never resolved about killing other people. These are deeply damaged individuals. And in a way, can never be normal and happy with life.

And there isn't a way to fix it.

This is what wars do. War is not an acid test of proving virtue, like so many in history have said it was. It creates a person, that doesn't give a damn: A time bomb. I've worked with these folks for 12 years. They are still messed up and you just never know what the set off points are. I really started to dislike, working with combat veterans in the sphere of community service.... Community Service forces you to be a bit heavy duty in all areas. I also had to deal with recent people out of jail. I also didn't like them. Which would sometimes interact with the combat vets: This never worked well for the people out of jail, or the Vet.

We give 501C corp to any one. This how our charities work.

We have be very clear of what, and why, we do tell these people to do things that are horrific in any future wars. And there have to be better reasons then, we have asked them to do, in the past 30 years. They, that were in combat, come back as problems. They are problems. We have to recognize this. Being trained to kill other people, with a lack of compassion, isn't a good thing. This is the lament, I get from recent warriors.

We have to have another war. We always have to have another war. This time with China in its seas, and some little island, and The Russian Republic over the Ukraine. WHY? All over again, the escalation of it. The same old proxies wars.

Ask Why? Come up with good reasons. Cause most of you don't have to deal with the fall out. I have, and its messed me up mentally dealing with what is left over.

One of my best friends was a Marine in front line combat, killed enemy combatants, and came home with a blown off leg above the knee, and several other wounds about 20 years ago. He received his Purple heart directly from President Bush.
IMO, he seems well adjusted, a great father & husband and by all accounts a pretty normal guy. He does seem to give a damn, doesn’t seem like a ticking time bomb. Great coach, father, husband, weightlifter. Kind of person I’d want in the foxhole next to me or as a neighbor.
I hope the Lord reserves a special place in his Kingdom for him.

My thought is to not generalize or lump everyone into a category. I’m sure many combatants are heavily traumatized and do not think this is easy to deal with.

 

[Torvy]

My experience as well. Combat is definitely traumatic, but many are able to process it well. You don't hear about them because they just live their lives. The perception that all/most combat vets are ticking time bombs comes from a combination of media/Hollywood imagery and the fact that those who do need help are newsworthy. You are not going to hear "Next on TBN news, combat vet buys groceries and politely goes home. Film at 11.". The well-adjusted guys also don't tend to advertise that they were in front line combat units and killed people. So, the co-workers are unaware of them. Those who didn't adjust to civilian life are more apt to broadcast their service. I also know some who are ill-adjusted that were REMF, but tell stories as if they were Audie Murphy.

 

[Hay Dude]

My experience as well. Combat is definitely traumatic, but many are able to process it well. You don't hear about them because they just live their lives. The perception that all/most combat vets are ticking time bombs comes from a combination of media/Hollywood imagery and the fact that those who do need help are newsworthy. You are not going to hear "Next on TBN news, combat vet buys groceries and politely goes home. Film at 11.". The well-adjusted guys also don't tend to advertise that they were in front line combat units and killed people. So, the co-workers are unaware of them. Those who didn't adjust to civilian life are more apt to broadcast their service. I also know some who are ill-adjusted that were REMF, but tell stories as if they were Audie Murphy.

I find kids with no proper parenting, no boundaries and no value for human life to be a lot more frightening to me than combat vets.

 

[bnold]

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We are a society that teaches how to obtain the most from government handouts. I’d venture a large portion of the ‘injuries’ are for the pure purpose of a disability check.

Next up food assistance, then housing assistance, then health care assistance, then cell phone assistance, then childcare assistance…

Sorry… jaded, see it every day.

I really appreciate those who can’t remember ‘why’ they are on disability.

 

[MossRoad]

Cell phone assistance/landline assistance has been around since 1984, so coming up on 40 years.

Lifeline (FCC program) - Wikipedia

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