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   / Are we running out of fossil fuels? - peak oil theory #131  
tallyho8 said:
In many third world countries, vegetables are fertilized with human excrement. These people do not get sick from it because they have developed an immunity over the years. Many Americans who have been "sanitized" over the years would die consuming these same veggies.

Yes. I have seen articles where doctor's are beginning to question our obsession with sanitizing everything within babies reach for just that reason. When I was a kid back on the farm in the 30s, we played and crawled around in the dirt in the chicken yard.

Harry K
 
   / Are we running out of fossil fuels? - peak oil theory #132  
tallyho8 said:
In many third world countries, vegetables are fertilized with human excrement. These people do not get sick from it because they have developed an immunity over the years. Many Americans who have been "sanitized" over the years would die consuming these same veggies.

True, but this may be part of the cause for the high infant mortality rate in 3rd world countries.
 
   / Are we running out of fossil fuels? - peak oil theory #133  
When I was in South Korea, I was warned don't eat the veggies even when cooked.

mark
 
   / Are we running out of fossil fuels? - peak oil theory #134  
I think long term exposure to some pathogens can help with immunity. Kind of works like a vaccine. Antibodies are produced, etc. This clearly doesn't work for lots of bacterial or viral pathogens though.I imagine that infection still is the most common cause of death in under-developed countries. Most deaths from E. Coli from cows comes from a toxin produced by the bacteria, not the direct effects of bacterial growth.

However, it is becoming increasingly clear to allergy and immunology specialists that we are probably overprotecting our children which in turn produces adults who react to everything. Cats are one example. For years cats were, and still remain, the absolute taboo for allergists. Everyone with allergies must get rid of the cat. Cats should never be around babies. Recent studies, however, show that babies born into a family with an indoor cat are less likely to suffer from cat allergies down the road. It has long been felt that 'farm kids' have fewer allergy problems than city or suburban kids. A recent study took this further and looked at three groups: 1) Farm kids that actually get out and do the work, get around the animals, work in the barn etc., 2) Farm kids that live on a farm but do not actually do any farm type stuff and 3) city/suburban kids.

Well, the farm kids that got their hands dirty had fewer allergies than the other farm kids, who had about the same rate of allergies as suburban kids.

This links the idea of the benefits of early exposure to the 'world'. And the world is made of dirt and dust and grass and all that.

This is not just a matter of who has runny noses or not. Allergies contribute to asthma (which can be life threatening), ear infections, sinus infections, etc. So a population with fewer allergies may be significanltly healthier than an allergy prone population.
 
   / Are we running out of fossil fuels? - peak oil theory #136  
From a GW perspective, high infant death rates might be quite beneficial. If more people die there will be less people to pollute which causes global warming which makes people die.
 
   / Are we running out of fossil fuels? - peak oil theory #138  
#1 cause of infantile death in most third world countries is dehydration, dirreahea, and malnutrition.

Most of that is due to lack of sanitation, ie no public sewage or potable water supply, and lack of refrigeration for vaccination antigens.

The primary cause of these sorrid condtions is due to the dictatorial regimes operating the government for their own enrichment.
 
   / Are we running out of fossil fuels? - peak oil theory #139  
The dehydration is from the diarrhea which is from infectious disease.
 
   / Are we running out of fossil fuels? - peak oil theory #140  
N80: "From a GW perspective, high infant death rates might be quite beneficial. If more people die there will be less people to pollute which causes global warming which makes people die"

Historically it doesn't work. High infant mortality goes hand in hand with big families. At the end of the day it comes as pretty much of a wash.

Harry K
 

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