Are we running out of fossil fuels? - peak oil theory

[hockeypuck]

Man I would love to see that. Nothing would please me more than to see that pompus so and so get his pet project handed to him in pieces. Just to see that blank look on his face when he realizes that he is not as smart as he thinks he is. One can only dream. He would never put himself in that position. I think he knows deep down that his theory and crusade is flawed, but as long as he has public sentiment, he is going to ride it as long as possible. What a petty man.

If I were a betting man, I would bet a weeks pay that he does not accept the challenge.

 

[EddieWalker]

Here is a quote from Mr. Gore that explains it's OK to lie to prove your point if your point if very important. He knows he's lying, and freely admits it.

This is from a speach he made An interview with accidental movie star Al Gore | By David Roberts | Grist | Main Dish | 09 May 2006

"In the United States of America, unfortunately we still live in a bubble of unreality. And the Category 5 denial is an enormous obstacle to any discussion of solutions. Nobody is interested in solutions if they don't think there's a problem. Given that starting point, I believe it is appropriate to have an over-representation of factual presentations on how dangerous (global warming) is, as a predicate for opening up the audience to listen to what the solutions are, and how hopeful it is that we are going to solve this crisis." -- Al Gore

Of course, he doesn't use the word lie, he says it's ok to over-represent. You gotta admire his use of words here. hahahaha

Eddie

 

[IH3444]

Eddie, this all depends on what your defininition of is, is.

 

[LMTC]

"over-represent" comes from the same dictionary as "no controlling legal authority." It's called the weasel-word dictionary, specially designed for words to use to weasel one's way out of being caught. Most responsible adults quit using that dictionary for the most part around age 6 and completely somewhere in their 20s. You should see the definition of "is" in that dictionary....or "not" and"criminal" (which when used together after being caught involved in a crime come out thusly--"I am not a criminal").

 

[EddieWalker]

Just came across this article by John Stossel that really suprised me. Everything I've seen by me has been very slanted and political in the other direction. I think there's more to it and why he wrote it then to just bring out a few bits of information on Mr. Gore and his fantasy movie, but whatever the reason, his points are very strong.

Townhall.com::A convenient lie::By John Stossel

Eddie

 

[turnkey4099]

(quote)Coffeeman: I have heard there is volcanic activity under the polar caps and that is part of the polar ice melting. Also, the antartic is gaining ice. No one mentions that, so maybe I read wrong.

400,000 yrs ago CO2 levels were 10 or 20 times higher than today. Wonder what kind of cars (unquote)

http://www.nature.com/news/2005/050516/full/050516-10.html

States that one area of antarctica is gaining ice but is being offset by losses elsewhere and even that gain is not expected to continue.

Evidence of a Warming Earth - The Woods Hole Research Center

Gives a chart showing CO2 levels fluctuating up and down over the past 400,000 years but a sudden huge rise in our times. 400,000 years ago per that it was nowhere near current levels:

I hadn't heard that about the volcanoes. I think I will go looking - sounds interesting.
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(quote)Hockeypuck:
Here is a video for those of you who want to hear both sides of the argument. This global warming debate has left reason behind for emotion. Do not be duped. (unquote)

I shudder every time this subject comes up. I do not understand why anyone would make a reasoned decision about anything by watching a movie no matter if it is anti or pro. There is whole world of good information out there on the 'net and sources can be found that do not have an ax to grind.

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Eddie: The "dinosaurs" and other organic debris does not 'make its way down'. It dies, sinks into the mud or is covered by mud in floods or dirt in landslides, more is added on top, more yet, etc. and some of the buried remains become part of tectonic plates that subduct under others.

This planet is billions of years old and there is plenty of time for things that seem impossible to happen.

Harry K

Harry K

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[LMTC]

There is no recorded first-hand observed data for "science" available to us that is over a few thousand years old....at best. So anyone who tosses out millions and billions of years is already working on assumptions and interpretation of currently observed data that is extrapolated to project supposed measurements from some time in the past for which there is NO first-hand observed information. It still comes down to a belief.

there is plenty of time for things that seem impossible to happen.

This is exactly why extrapolation is not valid. It assumes that currently observed "historical" findings (like ice core analyses) indicate for the past exactly what they would indicate if formed now. We cannot know that things happened the same way.

So believe what you will. I'm going to live in joy knowing what I know. If any of you choose to live in gloom, that is your choice. I would never deny a person's right to be unhappy, but it does leave me puzzled.

My suggestion to those who tend to believe the GW stuff is overdone and mostly hype, as currently being preached, is leave it alone. There are those who simply have a need for something to be wrong and impending. Let them argue with themselves.

 

[IH3444]

Thanks for posting that link Eddie. It was a good read, especially the comments after. I've read John Stossel's book, my father bought it. After watching Al give his "testi-money" about global warming, and the smoozing going on between him and Hillary, all I can say is the Amercan people better watch out for these two. They will have in-fer-red pistols pointed at our homes, and telling us we are not in compliance with their new rules, and must pay a carbon tax. Too much waste heat escaping, per home, X (times) 100 million homes = asternomical dollars pouring into some carbon tax coffers.

6th graders in disagreemnt with Al Gore, LongmontFYI - Global warming on trial

 

[turnkey4099]

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This is exactly why extrapolation is not valid. It assumes that currently observed "historical" findings (like ice core analyses) indicate for the past exactly what they would indicate if formed now. We cannot know that things happened the same way.

So believe what you will. I'm going to live in joy knowing what I know. If any of you choose to live in gloom, that is your choice. I would never deny a person's right to be unhappy, but it does leave me puzzled.

The scientific method relies on finding evidence and facts, not making guesses, and it works amazingly well. All the evidence and facts indicate that processes 400,000 years ago worked exactly like they do today.

I don't get why someone who glories in natures' wonders would be 'living in gloom'.

Harry K

 

[LMTC]

The scientific method relies on finding evidence and facts, not making guesses, and it works amazingly well. All the evidence and facts indicate that processes 400,000 years ago worked exactly like they do today.

I don't get why someone who glories in natures' wonders would be 'living in gloom'.

Harry K

"indicate" And that is the operative word. They indicate. These are not first hand observed facts. And as someone earlier said "there is plenty of time for things that seem impossible to happen." This would also mean that things that seemed likely may not have been so, i.e. if it seems impossible to you that the "evidence and facts" mean something other than their current interpretation, it still may be that they do. It comes down to belief. Your belief is no more based on first hand observed facts than mine is.