Arena Project

   / Arena Project #31  
Wow!!

I Thank You ! for sharing the pictures of the project !!
What a very nice project and I am sure the wife loves it!! I am about to start the same out here in San Diego so I will take some pictures as the project progresses.
Very well done and THANK YOU for sharing your project with us!

Alex /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
   / Arena Project #32  
I know what you're saying about drainage but you can do the same thing with the clay base. You just build the drains around the outside and then crown it. The crown will let the water run down. If you are ever in Iowa give me a holler and I'll show you our arena. It's for roping and reining. We have a solid clay base that is crowned with drainage. Then have the 3" of sand on top of that. Even with 2 or 3" of rain we can be roping or reining in a day, two max. If you want to go back and do yours give Jim Kiser a call. He is probably the premier guy in the country on arena surfaces.
 
   / Arena Project #33  
Nice job, thanks for posting those.
You have a really nice area, one can never to too big.

That horse looks pretty good too.

-Mike Z. /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
 
   / Arena Project #34  
Kip,

Since your down the road from me, I think... I am up on 17
by the Stafford, Fauquier Line, could you PM me or post your
guy who did your clearing?

I am in the process of doing a riding ring, but time as gotten away from me. I need a couple of hundred feet cleared out and don't feel like banging my tractor around any more.

Thanks.

-Mike Z. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
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#35  
Doc:

The more I think about it, the more I think we may both be right. In this area, you need to provide a gravel base under an arena because when the soils get saturated, there is no bottom to them. Once, when my dealer was delivering a piece of equipment, the driver had a small dozer (NH, about D4 size) on his truck. As he was backing out of my driveway, he cut a corner a little sharp and got his wheels off the driveway. The soils were saturated, and he went in up to the axle -- had to jack up the truck enough to level it, unload the Dozer, and use the Dozer to pull him out. As long as he stayed on the driveway, which had a good gravel base, he had no problem.

That's also why folks back here put a gravel base under their arenas. If they don't have a good, solid base (sub-base, if you will), the bottom kind of goes out from under the arena and you develop sinkholes /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif. Eventually, the whole arena needs to be redone.

Arena construction varies around the country. In southern Idaho, it seemed all I had to do was drag the riding surface once in awhile, but we only got about 12 inches of rain a year. In Yuma, AZ, (3 inches per year) the soils were so sandy we also just had to drag a level surface. In Reno, NV, (4 inches per year) our soil was DG (Decomposed Granite), which was hard as a rock when dry -- just needed sand on top of it for a cushion for the riding surface. In Virginia, we get 30-40 inches per year, so we need a more solid base and good drainage. Of course, in all cases, I was not trying to create a riding surface that would stand up to heavy use, like a roping or reining arena -- just someplace my wife can train her horses safely.

However, if I get around to stripping off the sand, I will strongly consider an intermediate layer of clay, which would help to hold the gravel, as well. It will mean adding some additional drainage, but that was the cheapest part of the whole project. Thanks for the advice.

Kip
 
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#36  
Mike:

I sent you a PM. The guy owns a Hydroseeding business, but I am reluctant to post his name, address and phone number in a public forum without his permission. He may or may not appreciate the publicity /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif, and I want to stay on his good side. We also buy most of our hay from him. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Kip
 
   / Arena Project #37  
You may be totally right here and that is the only way to go for an outside arena. I may be way off base trying to give advice for an arena in VA.

Where were you at in Southern Idaho? Our main ranch is in southern Idaho in the Owhyees down by Murphy and Oreanna. Sure could use a good winter there. We're down to 3000 head on about 60,000 acres there now. Five years ago we were running about 4500 head. BLM and forest service keeps cutting back the grazing days on the leased ground. Wish we would have those extra 1500 head this year with prices being what they are.
 
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#38  
We spent about 5 years in Burley, where I worked for BLM beating up on you poor ranchers /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif. I was a Range Con then, but I worked in the opposite side of the state from your place - Soda Springs and Malad. Later, I worked in Arizona and Nevada. I "retired" from BLM in May, but currently have a contract with them to provide Budget consulting services (specialized analyses at the Washington Level). My wife still works for BLM as a Wild Horse Specialist.

If you ever have occasion to meet the current BLM State Director in Idaho, tell him I said to go easy on you /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif. He almost lost a leg when a tractor-mounted PHD picked up some old barbed wire and wrapped it around his leg. He was ranching near Bliss at the time, but came back to work for BLM when the current administration offered him the State Director job.
 
   / Arena Project #39  
>I still think that a layer (2-3 inches) of stone dust, unwashed, would allow drainage but not have rocks work through it.

This may solve your problem, but it was tough for me to see how big your gravel was from your picture. When we did our arena they recommended a 6" base of stonedust underneath your footing. We checked around and most seemed to agree with that if you wanted to do it right (because it ain't cheap).

We built a 120'x240' arena last year. The guy we hired to do it (an excavator who has horses too) stripped off all the topsoil (about a foot of it), graded to 1%, brought in 1' of bank run gravel (fine to <1"), compacted with a huge compacting roller, then added 6" of stone dust, compacted again, the 2-3" of stonedust mixed with 2-3" of white clay (not very good clay, kind of sandy but it's the best we got around here) for the footing.
 
   / Arena Project #40  
I worked for BLM beating up on you poor ranchers

Wow small world. I'm not saying the BLM isn't right cutting back on grazing days. It's just tough as you know being from that area. We do quite a few seeding contracts for the BLM too.
 

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