OP
KrisHansen
Gold Member
NewToy said:
It's still at the dealer waiting for New Holland to do the right thing.
ARRRRRRGH!!!!!!! Broke my tractor.... Engine Block went SNAP...
- Thread starter KrisHansen
- Start date
- Views: 74369
It's still at the dealer waiting for New Holland to do the right thing.
dogbreath108
Bronze Member
- Joined
- Jul 10, 2007
- Messages
- 58
As far as the FEL mounting on a tractor. Any cast iron based tractor.
The long life of the machine is best served with a loader mounting framework that spreads forces along the length of the machine. You reduce the pressure on any one component by spreading the force over a larger area. It is what it is... This is not opinion.
As far as Kris' tractor... Definite block casting flaw, or uneven mounting surface on transmission, or imperfection on some surface somewhere when tightened. (this part IS opinion, but I feel pretty sure). And NH should step up to the plate.
As far as designing something past the point of failure. As far as tractors are concerned, it cannot be done (I admit this part also is opinion) .Because when you were done you would not have a swiss army knife style tractor that we are talking about. The use would be too narrow in the end result, ie forklift, bucket loader, excavator, whatever, -you name it.... But you can design to increase longevity. Which brings up the off shoot discussion on loader mounting techniques.
I still would not hesitate to purchase Kris' repaired tractor and use it with the 7308 loader on it. No problem, good machine and would be VERY happy to have it.
One more note and I will shut up... I have seen major damage, in person, numbers of times through the years, (I wish I had pictures to show you and will keep this in mind for the future). All different makes, all using a loader. From the old machines to the maybe early 90's. That one that I am guessing maybe early 90's I saw about 8 years ago. Co-worker in Palmer Ma, Kubota around 20-25hp, plowing snow in his driveway. Broke the transmission housing where the loader mounted and it was a much more sorrowful sight than Kris' because the tractor could not be moved. I doubted any abuse. And it was repaired. Other units that I have seen I cannot even guess if it was due to the operator. I saw only after the fact. I DO always notice the way the loader is mounted, because I want to know why... CSI tractor
because I don't think it should happen...
One more thing, of the cracked or broken bell housings, front engine mount tabs (most CUT's today do not have these, instead they use the front steel rails, dispersing pressure to a high tensel strength material to a low (block) using the least amount of material), and broken or cracked rear corner engine mounts (including angular engine cracks), This is THE first top to bottom rear engine crack in THIS manner that I have ever seen. Kris, would a prize make you feel better? Well I hope very much for you that it comes from NH in the form of a repair or credit towards a repair.
One of the problems with the net is that you can't pass around a hat for a good cause.
Joe
The long life of the machine is best served with a loader mounting framework that spreads forces along the length of the machine. You reduce the pressure on any one component by spreading the force over a larger area. It is what it is... This is not opinion.
As far as Kris' tractor... Definite block casting flaw, or uneven mounting surface on transmission, or imperfection on some surface somewhere when tightened. (this part IS opinion, but I feel pretty sure). And NH should step up to the plate.
As far as designing something past the point of failure. As far as tractors are concerned, it cannot be done (I admit this part also is opinion) .Because when you were done you would not have a swiss army knife style tractor that we are talking about. The use would be too narrow in the end result, ie forklift, bucket loader, excavator, whatever, -you name it.... But you can design to increase longevity. Which brings up the off shoot discussion on loader mounting techniques.
I still would not hesitate to purchase Kris' repaired tractor and use it with the 7308 loader on it. No problem, good machine and would be VERY happy to have it.
One more note and I will shut up... I have seen major damage, in person, numbers of times through the years, (I wish I had pictures to show you and will keep this in mind for the future). All different makes, all using a loader. From the old machines to the maybe early 90's. That one that I am guessing maybe early 90's I saw about 8 years ago. Co-worker in Palmer Ma, Kubota around 20-25hp, plowing snow in his driveway. Broke the transmission housing where the loader mounted and it was a much more sorrowful sight than Kris' because the tractor could not be moved. I doubted any abuse. And it was repaired. Other units that I have seen I cannot even guess if it was due to the operator. I saw only after the fact. I DO always notice the way the loader is mounted, because I want to know why... CSI tractor
because I don't think it should happen...One more thing, of the cracked or broken bell housings, front engine mount tabs (most CUT's today do not have these, instead they use the front steel rails, dispersing pressure to a high tensel strength material to a low (block) using the least amount of material), and broken or cracked rear corner engine mounts (including angular engine cracks), This is THE first top to bottom rear engine crack in THIS manner that I have ever seen. Kris, would a prize make you feel better? Well I hope very much for you that it comes from NH in the form of a repair or credit towards a repair.
One of the problems with the net is that you can't pass around a hat for a good cause.
Joe
billfires
Gold Member
Joe, you can pass the hat, it was done to relace a pressure tester that one of the members here was nice enough to share with about 50-60 (just a guess) members so they could chech their loader pressure. The last person to receive it would not respond to posts, PMs or emails and a bunch of us kicked in to replace it. If NH doesn't come through for Kris I think we should do a collection to defray an expesive repair. The info I have gotten has saved me literally thousands of dollars , first with the purchase of my machine (aprox $8000.00 for a smaller tractor w/ FEL & BH) and numerous repairs and improvements. Bill C
dynasim
Platinum Member
Kris,
Given your description of the failure, I'd bet it initially broke soon after purchase, but was held together by the rest of he casting until its final failure.
Again, sorry about the pain. Good luck.
Remember, non-completely thought out bracing can be worse than no bracing at all. When I was a kid, we cracked the engine on a farm tractor with a front end loader mount. The failure was caused by mis-alignment on reinstallation, not abuse.
Chris
Given your description of the failure, I'd bet it initially broke soon after purchase, but was held together by the rest of he casting until its final failure.
Again, sorry about the pain. Good luck.
Remember, non-completely thought out bracing can be worse than no bracing at all. When I was a kid, we cracked the engine on a farm tractor with a front end loader mount. The failure was caused by mis-alignment on reinstallation, not abuse.
Chris
dqdave1
Veteran Member
Kris; What is the dealer doing? More than enough time to make a decision. Time to start asking "what the holdup is" . Or have them give you a loaner while they decide.
OP
KrisHansen
Gold Member
I have had that same thougth... we'll see what I come up with..
Whatever I do, it's not going to be overkill... I have designed in my head welding some tabs onto the existing loader mounts which will be drilled and tapped, which will allow some brackets to bolt between the bellhousing and the engine subframe..
Whatever I do, it's not going to be overkill... I have designed in my head welding some tabs onto the existing loader mounts which will be drilled and tapped, which will allow some brackets to bolt between the bellhousing and the engine subframe..
OP
KrisHansen
Gold Member
dqdave1 said:
The holdup is with New Holland. The service rep initially offered parts support, which is nice, but no cigar. Parts would stilll leave me with a $3k labor bill to swap the engine bits onto the bare block, run the engine on the dyno, and put it all back together.. Frankly, I expect NH to pay the whole thing. There are also unknowns still, that is: is there any damage to the flywheel/clutch/etc.. Recall, as the engine started to bend, I heard something which was in motion make contact with something not in motion, somewhere in the general area of between my feet. It's entirely possible that a can of worms will be opened upon splitting the machine.
They offered a 'rental' at $15 per hour I put on it.. not bad, not great. I had no way to get it here (friend of mine graciously took my busted Boomer up there for me..)
ATV has been fine, if laborious and time consuming. I wish Honda made CUTs. If they did, and it were built like my 1998 Foreman, it would literally last forever.
That was good of NH to offer some parts support. Usually when a warranty is expired, that's it. They don't even want to hear it. On one hand you do have some extenuating circumstances that merit careful consideration. On the other hand I'm sure there are plenty of CUT owners that have been left out in the cold with a "just" expired warranty. It's a fine line they are walking when they warrant something outside the boundaries of the warranty. I'm sure the vast majority of CUT owners run out of time on the warranty way before the hours are up. My tractor has only 335 hrs in close to 3 yrs. Looks like the FarmTrac people took care of the rest of my warranty.
John
John
Were they (NH) offering all parts needed at no charge, or only specific parts?
If so, pretty good on NH's part considering the warranty status.
I can also easily see where I would feel as kris does, what about the rest of the cost?
It would be nice if the dealer could step up and offer a reduced labor rate, to assist.
If so, pretty good on NH's part considering the warranty status.
I can also easily see where I would feel as kris does, what about the rest of the cost?
It would be nice if the dealer could step up and offer a reduced labor rate, to assist.