Assistance with tuition

   / Assistance with tuition #91  
I've often wondered. What are people thinking, when they send their children off to a college and incur tuition debts of 25K to 35K per year. I guess it's OK if you have the funds and don't need a loan. Otherwise - a very sad, stressful situation might be created.
 
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#92  
What are people thinking, when they send their children off to a college and incur tuition debts of 25K to 35K per year

We, as a Nation, aren't really taught to think for ourselves, but how we compare to our surroundings. Isn't that why I even asked complete strangers on a website for their experiences?:laughing:

But to answer your rhetorical question- I think a majority of Americans assume that: (1)- That's just "the way it is and has always been", and (2)- It may cost XX amount for Child A to go to school, but over a lifetime, child A will recoup that loss eventually.

I honestly think it is more of just thinking that 'you have to pay to play'...
 
   / Assistance with tuition #93  
Just for reference:
$100,000 debt @ 6% for 30 years is about $600 per month.
$600 per month X 12 months is $7200 per year.
 
   / Assistance with tuition #94  
The problem is or every Gates and Jobs there's 10,000 Kastanzas and Kramers....

I have mixed thoughts on college degrees...

So many successful people I know have started with nothing and have built impressive businesses often employing 50 or more... no college and even little high school... most folks in the trades that came here with nothing but determination to make it... Mexico and Asians mostly but some wildly succesfull multimillion dollar home builders with 8th grade education from Ireland... really all American success stories.

Irish Tom hasn't owed anyone a dime in decades... he buys lots in downturns and builds spec homes... not even a contractor... owner builder... his homes average about 2 million now... he did put his daughter through Berkeley and she got a job with the phone company as an account rep but really didn't like it much and left after the first child was born... his two boys are doing what the old man does... they build and no college or contractor licenses... the old man built his first spec home back in the 1960's...

He and 4 other "Carpenters" from Ireland pooled their money and bought a lot and built a simple spec home working nights and weekends... they got suppliers from their day job to extend credit for materials... after a few homes they spit and Tom and his Brother went on their own and later just Tom and then Tom with his sons...

I'm thankful for my engineering degree but it is not make or break other than removing barriers... it was more like you have a degree... yes I do so now what can you do for me?

Of course if you want to be a Doc, a PA etc... it changes everything... but there are still lawyers that read for the bar and RN's that parlayed their corpsman military experience to challenge the board and become a RN...

What I do see is way to many taking the "Easy" money without regard to paying it back...

I manage an apartment where my 50 year old tenant just earned her master's degree... she has been working on it for 15 years... she is on Section 8 and partially disabled... her tuition included grants and student loans... but the loans are deferred... but being disabled and not working all I see is 60k in student debt... she did apply for a few jobs and balked when she was offered as much as 40k saying why would I do that and lose Housing? She was thinking more of a 100k with a Masters in Social Work...
 
   / Assistance with tuition #95  
My parents paid for my bachelors degree at a public university. While in school I lived like a poor person. I did not have a fancy apartment close to campus, I lived in a cheap duplex in the ghetto with 2 roommates and we each paid $250/mo for rent and bills. I also did not get a new car for college, I kept my only 7.3 f250 with a crap ton of miles. I have no regrets with how my parent helped me, they paid for school I worked with my roommate doing weekend welding jobs and flipping broken appliances to pay rent and have food money. I graduated debt free walked into a $80k/year job managed to have enough down payment for my land with in a year and bought a new tractor in cash. I still work full time working on my masters paying that in cash as well. My mom always feels guilty when I talk about my poor living situation in college wish I would have asked her for money so I could have had a better place but I couldn't do that because she already did so much for me.
 
   / Assistance with tuition #96  
I paid my own way but the Government paid for my doctorate in forensic psychology as I had a good head start on anyone else, they wanted someone and I was it with a BA and MA in the field, daughters have both been through uni (college) and I have paid some but they have to pay back the rest, it is added to their tax bill but only when they achieve over $40k a year which is not hard to achieve in nursing.
I see some who spend a lot of time trying for a degree in some obscure fields then working in an unrelated field and wonder why as we as taxpayers are funding this because they will never pay it back.
Then there are some strange colleges like one here that offers a degree in Tarot Reading, I suppose the dark arts will be soon.
 
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I suppose the dark arts will be soon

Yah, unlike Psychology.. :laughing:

Bunyip- I'm content with my current career path, but I still may very well further my education in Psychology. I enjoy working with such a diverse group of thinkers around me, and to see how the people I supervise overcome obstacles. The fascinating part is for me to attempt to tell them their suspected background on how they came up with a certain answer to a problem. Aggression, passiveness, confrontation, passive/aggressive, apathy, etc..

If you get it right, it's like looking through a window into their heart..

But I digress...
 
   / Assistance with tuition #98  
I started life as an electronic tech in the RAAF.
Diverse enough?
 
   / Assistance with tuition #99  
Interesting subject that covers a wide range of social norms.

For us, my family, I wanted to give all the best opportunity to achieve their goals. What my parents did not, or could not do, I wanted to do.

I footed the entire summation of their colleges expenses through Federal and Private loans. Our 529 ran out on the first kid in year 2. We, the girls and I, looked hard at Grants and Scholarships. Grants were not forthcoming in amounts that would make a difference in the time spent trying to process them. My salary, did not help either. Scholarships were also few and far between. Although two out of three managed to snags some tens of thousands. Sounds like a lot? Not really, my number for three girls and 5 degrees is well over 200k.

It did not help that one changed majors and schools. It did not help that one pursued multiple degrees. See second sentence.

I guess for me, I look at this as, I have the last laugh. My girls have no excuses. They have paper, they have skills, they have networks of people, some all over the world. Yeah, one studied abroad. More $$$.

I am glad to have made a difference in some lives, maybe even yours. Two of my girls are in DoD services, and another is expanding her education in Health Care.

That's really all a parent can do, right,? Give an opportunity to make a difference. College can do that. It's just not about a paper degree, it's expanding people skills and networks and learning systems and what not.

Good luck in your decision.
 
   / Assistance with tuition #100  
I have mixed thoughts on college degrees...

So many successful people I know have started with nothing and have built impressive businesses often employing 50 or more... no college and even little high school... most folks in the trades that came here with nothing but determination to make it... Mexico and Asians mostly but some wildly succesfull multimillion dollar home builders with 8th grade education from Ireland... really all American success stories.

Irish Tom hasn't owed anyone a dime in decades... he buys lots in downturns and builds spec homes... not even a contractor... owner builder... his homes average about 2 million now... he did put his daughter through Berkeley and she got a job with the phone company as an account rep but really didn't like it much and left after the first child was born... his two boys are doing what the old man does... they build and no college or contractor licenses... the old man built his first spec home back in the 1960's...

He and 4 other "Carpenters" from Ireland pooled their money and bought a lot and built a simple spec home working nights and weekends... they got suppliers from their day job to extend credit for materials... after a few homes they spit and Tom and his Brother went on their own and later just Tom and then Tom with his sons...

I'm thankful for my engineering degree but it is not make or break other than removing barriers... it was more like you have a degree... yes I do so now what can you do for me?

Of course if you want to be a Doc, a PA etc... it changes everything... but there are still lawyers that read for the bar and RN's that parlayed their corpsman military experience to challenge the board and become a RN...

What I do see is way to many taking the "Easy" money without regard to paying it back...

I manage an apartment where my 50 year old tenant just earned her master's degree... she has been working on it for 15 years... she is on Section 8 and partially disabled... her tuition included grants and student loans... but the loans are deferred... but being disabled and not working all I see is 60k in student debt... she did apply for a few jobs and balked when she was offered as much as 40k saying why would I do that and lose Housing? She was thinking more of a 100k with a Masters in Social Work...

My father's parents never went to high school. When I met them (when I was born in the early 60's), grandpa was grandpa was 73 and grandma was 65. They owned three houses with two apartments in each house, and lived upstairs in one of them. Grandpa had a barber shop in the garage behind one of the houses. They owned a cottage on an island in a lake in Michigan that requires a car ferry ride to get to. And they owned a trailer home in Lakeland, FL. Not to bad on 25 cent haircuts!!! :thumbsup: But they had help from my dad... see below.

My dad wanted to be an architect, so that required a college degree. He put himself through Notre Dame for 2 years, and as I mentioned before, got drafted during WWII, and finished ND on the GI bill after the war. He was working for the government down in Kentucky and Tennessee on power plants and munitions factories, living in Cincinnati and sending money home to his parents. He actually got them financially solvent and floated them the loan to by the first house that they converted to two apartments and a barber shop. That's where he met my mom, who was also living in Cincinnati, but with her parents. She had recently graduated from college with a teaching degree. She taught biology in high school, and art. So that required a college degree as well.

Later in life, my mom got her masters when she went back to teaching after all of us kids were able to fend for ourselves after school.

So yes, there are many times you don't need a college degree. And many times you do. But you should know what you want to do before you go to college. Same thing with before you go into the trades.
 

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