rdricks
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Actually - as far as the kidneys go - the Atkins diet states in the book not to use this diet if you have kidney problems. That one eliminates me!
Atkins diet.......works for me..anyone else?
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Egon
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Well golly; there are also many medievial pheasants lived on diets that included meat only a few times a year.
Some cultures have survived on Fish, others on basically a vegtable diet and still others that lived on meat. The Cour'Debo, early Canadian traders lived on a diet that included up to ten or elleven pounds of meat a day. Their average lifespan was about 30 years.
We are Omnivorous.
Research??
Egon
Some cultures have survived on Fish, others on basically a vegtable diet and still others that lived on meat. The Cour'Debo, early Canadian traders lived on a diet that included up to ten or elleven pounds of meat a day. Their average lifespan was about 30 years.
We are Omnivorous.
Research??
Egon
To try to prove your point against Atkins, I'm sure you could research enough and find people that had all kinds or diets. But then again to go back a long ways, most of the people in the Bible ate mostly meat. And how long did Methuselah live, 969 years and meat was the main staple in those days. A little closer to our time. Jesus seems to eat a lot of fish, and bread. But fish is also meat. And to go to the Drs of today, you wanted to tell what the medical profession says about it. I believe the average life of a Dr is 57 years. Atkins did a lot better than that.
Egon
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Hey, I've nothin against the Atkins diet. Its just one that some competent people have advised me against. Anyone can eat what they like. Anything I have stated is pretty well proven fact.
Archeologists can and have figured out the diets of people from away back going back to Harapan and before.
Comments on your other statements do not fall in line with rules of this forum.
Egon
Archeologists can and have figured out the diets of people from away back going back to Harapan and before.
Comments on your other statements do not fall in line with rules of this forum.
Egon
And I believe everything I have stated are proven fact. And I don't believe I have broken any rules of this forum or any other to my knowledge. If you are going to make accusations, you had better be able to prove it. Slams are not allowed you know.
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Gentelmen,
From a medical standpoint people have survived on many things. You are both right in that a person can survive on both diets. How long a person lives on a specific diet is another matter altogether. Some people live forever and eat the worst, smoke, drink, etc. Others live a clean life and die from prostate cancer at 37. A balanced diet is the key. Egon is right in that civilizations have survived for centuries on specific diets. Dick is right in that many people are doing ok on the Atkins diet. But it also used to be something to live to 30. Short-term the Atkins diet works. Long term it would be scary. This wasn't Atkins plan either. Once you get to your target weight you are then supposed to start eating a balanced diet. If you read Atkins for life it is a very good diet to follow. Protein is balanced with carbs, fruits, vegs., etc. It's not just about protein which is where people get stuck.
Most importantly it's extremely important to have labwork done. You need to know where you are at from a biochemical standpoint. If you don't monitor what your body is doing you're just playing russian roulette with your life.
From a medical standpoint people have survived on many things. You are both right in that a person can survive on both diets. How long a person lives on a specific diet is another matter altogether. Some people live forever and eat the worst, smoke, drink, etc. Others live a clean life and die from prostate cancer at 37. A balanced diet is the key. Egon is right in that civilizations have survived for centuries on specific diets. Dick is right in that many people are doing ok on the Atkins diet. But it also used to be something to live to 30. Short-term the Atkins diet works. Long term it would be scary. This wasn't Atkins plan either. Once you get to your target weight you are then supposed to start eating a balanced diet. If you read Atkins for life it is a very good diet to follow. Protein is balanced with carbs, fruits, vegs., etc. It's not just about protein which is where people get stuck.
Most importantly it's extremely important to have labwork done. You need to know where you are at from a biochemical standpoint. If you don't monitor what your body is doing you're just playing russian roulette with your life.
Cowboydoc, what you are saying reminds me, of a couple of men I have know over the years. One was in his 50s, his wife left him and he lost everything he had, so he became a drunk. This was when he was younger, and he got to drinking a fifth of whiskey a day. He made foreman at Fruehaufs a couple of times, but then would go on a long drunk, and of course they would fire him. He was one of the best welders and metal workers I have ever seen. He still held some good jobs, last I knew, because of what he could do. Then I knew an other fellow, that told me he couldn't drink. He got a job at a distillery, and didn't drink at the time he went there. But the other guys all drank a few beers at lunch, so he started to. Pretty soon he was drinking the beer, instead of eating. He got sick, and the Dr. told him, if he didn't quit drinking he would die. He said but I haven't been drinking very long, or all the time. But the Dr told him its all in the person, some can and some can't he was one of the ones that couldn't and live. And yes I agree with you, the people that are against the Atkins diet, are in general the people that don't really understand it. Haven't read all the books he wrote on it and know just what he is saying. Or maybe they don't want to quit going down to the local fast food joint, which he is against, and of course so is most Drs for that matter. Like I have said before, this country or anyother for that matter, didn't have the bad heart problems till they got on the high sugar diets we are on now. A friend, who died of a heart problem, his daughter told me last night on an email, that three of her brothers are haveing serious heart problems and one of them will be lucky to make it 5 more years.
Old_Hickory
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( But it also used to be something to live to 30 )</font>
Methuselah lived to be 969 years old.
Moses lived to be hundreds of years old.
Noah,built the Ark when he was an old man(600)he was 500 years old when he begat,Shem ,Ham,Japeth,he died was 950.
Adam lived to be 930.
I think there was a little divine help along the way. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Methuselah lived to be 969 years old.
Moses lived to be hundreds of years old.
Noah,built the Ark when he was an old man(600)he was 500 years old when he begat,Shem ,Ham,Japeth,he died was 950.
Adam lived to be 930.
I think there was a little divine help along the way. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif