Attaching pto implements

   / Attaching pto implements #31  
I find the PTO connections with the little "pushbuttons" to be the most difficult. Not because they are any harder to line up, but because the sadists who designed the buttons made them pointed on the end so they hurt your finger when trying to push it. I have to wear gloves to push the button on my Woodland Mills grinder, plus the splines are new and it is very tricky to line up.
 
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   / Attaching pto implements #32  
Holding your mouth right is the solution I generally use. ;)
That is important. Closing or squinting one eye and making the right sequence of grunts seems to help in some cases, as well.

I find the PTO connections with the little "pushbuttons" to be the most difficult.
That’s funny, I hate the pull-collar types! If I had huge hands, I’d probably prefer the pull collar, but I can never seem to keep the collar pulled and push the stub on with one hand at the same time, and getting two hands thru the linkage and under the stupid shield they put on modern tractors requires a level of balance and contortion only available to teenage gymnasts.

The push-button types at least allow me to get the stub started, then hit the button and slide the thing home. Much easier, at least for my “medium” glove-sized hands.
 
   / Attaching pto implements #33  
The push-button types at least allow me to get the stub started, then hit the button and slide the thing home. Much easier, at least for my “medium” glove-sized hands.
The pull collar works the same way: once you get the splines lined up, you can push it on far enough that it will hang there, then give the collar a pull while pushing the shaft past the "breakover point", then you can let it go and slide it on until it clicks. The pulling and pushing at the same time IS an unnatural movement for sure....

All this talk about pulling the collar and sliding the shaft may get us banned...:mad:
 
   / Attaching pto implements #34  
That is important. Closing or squinting one eye and making the right sequence of grunts seems to help in some cases, as well.


That’s funny, I hate the pull-collar types! If I had huge hands, I’d probably prefer the pull collar, but I can never seem to keep the collar pulled and push the stub on with one hand at the same time, and getting two hands thru the linkage and under the stupid shield they put on modern tractors requires a level of balance and contortion only available to teenage gymnasts.

The push-button types at least allow me to get the stub started, then hit the button and slide the thing home. Much easier, at least for my “medium” glove-sized hands.

I also prefer the push button types over collared shafts. It hasn't come up yet, but a bunjee cord or rubber strap holding the shaft up makes it easier to align and install either type.
 
   / Attaching pto implements #35  
Well heck, I been sitting here quietly just reading all these comments and I'm finally going to have to speak up.
I've been attaching and detaching pto shafts since I was 8-9 years old. The only time I've ever shut off a tractor was when it wouldn't stay in place when the brakes were released and it needed to be stuck in gear and the clutch released to hold the tractor in place.
When we started using the self unloading wagons instead of the older false front wagons which would have been in the early 60's. The tractor unloading the wagons would have the pto connected and disconnected at least 10 times in a short day. And the tractor on the forage blower would get the pto speed up and slowed down the same numbers of times.
As time progressed and the number of cows and the tonnage of silage increased it also increased the number of loads unloaded daily. In the early years with the wagons unloading on the front left corner and the tractors pto lever being on the right side (Farmall 400 and 560's) we often reach across the rear of the tractor to engage the pto after connecting it from the rear of the tractor standing on the drawbar next to or even straddling the pto shaft (NOT a recommended manner).
This was done as you had to ease the pto on and off repeatedly untill the front cross conveyor was emptied slowly as not to plug the blower. Once the front apron was emptied the pto would be latched on and the rest of the load unloaded using the wagon controls mounted on the front of the wagon, then the pto shaft would be disconnected and hung on the hook on the wagon and the wagon hauled back to the field, were you would pick up a loaded wagon and haul it back to the silo and repeat.

In the later years with bigger wagons and tractors many of the tractors had a pto start switch mounted on the left rear fender that made the unloading a smoother and safer process. You would pull up to the forage blower or bagger, stop in the correct location , get out and connect the pto shaft, speed up the blower or bagger tractor, press the fender button for the pto ( a short press would just bump it a bit, hold it on for 3-5 seconds and it would continue to run till shut of from the tractor switch) It was common to unload 15-20 loads per day so a multitude of connecting and disconnect a pto shaft in a day, so no we did not shut down the tractor every time.

In the last few years I have been involved less and less but I do know that the procedure and steps have not changed.
In this picture the referenced pto shaft can be seen with the free end hanging from it's support in front of the discharge chute.

So no I do not shut of a tractor normally to attach a pto shaft, I also do not see the danger in not doing so when reasonable precautions are observed.
summer hay 2.jpg
 
   / Attaching pto implements #36  
With engine off you should be able to turn the tractor shaft 1/4 turn.

Keep tractor end greased and same with implement end.

I wear gloves when hitching so hands stay greaseless.

I have everything from light 3pt implement shafts that can be turned by hand to heavy and long CV Shafts that required two hands to manage.
You should be able but on some of the newer tractors with electric PTO you cant move the input shaft (2017 LS tractor i have wont move) a 2022 Mahandra built by tym will move both have the electric type PTO System.
 
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Thanks for the suggeations. It's a kioti DK4210SE. Couple of years old.
Everything is always lubed up and I keep the dust cap on it when not in use.
I'll try the shutting off the engine and see if that disengages the pto and let's me spin it freely. Or like others said lift the implement to free it a bit so I can spin it instead.
 
   / Attaching pto implements #38  
Thanks for the suggeations. It's a kioti DK4210SE. Couple of years old.
Everything is always lubed up and I keep the dust cap on it when not in use.
I'll try the shutting off the engine and see if that disengages the pto and let's me spin it freely. Or like others said lift the implement to free it a bit so I can spin it instead.
I looked on Tractor Data but can't tell if your machine has a mid PTO or not? My JD 2520 has a mid PTO and the lever has 3 settings: Rear/Both/Front. The only way to get my rear PTO shaft to spin freely is by moving the lever to the "Front" position because this is the only position where the rear shaft is isolated. There is no "neutral" PTO lever position on my machine.
 
   / Attaching pto implements #39  
I find the PTO connections with the little "pushbuttons" to be the most difficult. Not because they are any harder to line up, but because the sadists who designed the buttons made them pointed on the end so they hurt your finger when trying to push it. I have to wear gloves to push the button on my Woodland Mills chipper, plus the splines are new and it is very tricky to line up.
You'd love the PTO shaft on our pull-type hay tedder. Built by Kuhn many years ago, it's painted in New Holland colors. The PTO shaft is very long as these shafts go, and very heavy, and has TWO push buttons that need to be pressed simultaneously to connect it. Loads of fun.
 
   / Attaching pto implements #40  
You'd love the PTO shaft on our pull-type hay tedder. Built by Kuhn many years ago, it's painted in New Holland colors. The PTO shaft is very long as these shafts go, and very heavy, and has TWO push buttons that need to be pressed simultaneously to connect it. Loads of fun.
My snow blower has that type of coupler on it, and they have to be pushed in opposite directions. I think it actually had one of the old rotate to release collars that got removed.
 

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