attachment question

[DHD]

I agree the abilty to adjust fork widths is a handy option to have and probably a more popular feature than weight carrying requirements.

So far, on my 3 point Carry-all, all I've hauled is fire wood, either on pallets, or wood racks that I've made. In pallet form it's about 750 - 800 pounds.
I'd like to be able to haul this with forks on the front loader too.
The weight limit for items in my bucket about 800 pounds (I've got a LA402 Loader)
I'm affraid bucket forks, extending my load further away from the loader pins, would over extend the loaders recommended weight capacity.
The carry-all, as a loader attachment, would keep my load closer to the loader pins, giving the advantage to carry more payload. Which would work good for me.

 

[gwdixon]

I agree the abilty to adjust fork widths is a handy option to have and probably a more popular feature than weight carrying requirements.

So far, on my 3 point Carry-all, all I've hauled is fire wood, either on pallets, or wood racks that I've made. In pallet form it's about 750 - 800 pounds.
I'd like to be able to haul this with forks on the front loader too.
The weight limit for items in my bucket about 800 pounds (I've got a LA402 Loader)
I'm affraid bucket forks, extending my load further away from the loader pins, would over extend the loaders recommended weight capacity.
The carry-all, as a loader attachment, would keep my load closer to the loader pins, giving the advantage to carry more payload. Which would work good for me.

I mounted a "carry-all" type of forks on a FEL and it didn't place the load any closer to the pins than a set of clamp on forks do. Not sure how you would mount it any closer unless the tractor has the QA bucket system.

BTW, the LA402 loader has a capacity of double the number plus another 10% (or multiply by 2.2). But who's counting.

 

[DHD]

I mounted a "carry-all" type of forks on a FEL and it didn't place the load any closer to the pins than a set of clamp on forks do. Not sure how you would mount it any closer unless the tractor has the QA bucket system.

BTW, the LA402 loader has a capacity of double the number plus another 10% (or multiply by 2.2). But who's counting.

Yes it would be a pin type QA bucket system, and I failed to have mentioned QA bucket system.
I did mention, using a carry-all as a loader attachment,
but I should have clarified that I'd remove the QA bucket and attach the newly modified
QA carry-all. I appoligize by getting ahead of myself.
Yes I've heard about doubling the loader number, as a rough guide to calculate lift capacity, I hadn't heard about adding an additional 10%.
I was estimating about 800 pounds lift capacity, by your guidelines it would be 884.4 pounds ?
My concern would be the 800 pound load thats on bucket forks, is out beyond the measurement point for the 800 or 884 pound.

 

[mikim]

I've got a QA on my FEL and I bought an attachment that connects to my QA then attaches 3 pt implements. I use it primarily to mount my carryall on the front. -- My vote goes to a set of forks vs a carryall.

 

[gwdixon]

The FEL number (LA402) idicates the lifting weight in kg. To convert it to pounds the multiplier 2.2 will do it. Mathematically it is the same as times 2 plus another 10%. Close enough.

The maximum load capacity is at the top of the lift so the reality is that to get a weight off of the ground it is probably quite a bit more. The tractor's relief valve will keep serious damage from occurring.

With a carry-all mounted to a QA plate it would act just like a standard factory QA fork lift. The lifting ability would be the same as the bucket - probably a bit more since the fork contraption would weigh less than the bucket.

The QA frames are quite reasonable at auctions. This one was purchased at Ritchie Bros. Auctions and a log carrier built on it. They have actions all over the world. An auction yard is only 20 miles away from my place. Maybe you can find something similar.

 

[johann]

Gwdixon,

Love the forks! I am going to try to make some for myself some time before spring.



Savageactor7,

I have same issue when I go out for wood, where to put tools and still be able to use bucket. I was thinking of doing something simular, but I was concerned about raising and lowering the 3pt .... how do you keep the wood from buckling?

 

[Goodluck w/ That]

I have a 3point carryall & haven't used it for years. I used it alot back in the day when it was all you had to lift something, not very high but better than nothing. Once you get a loader, the carryall day is done!! It's good to put a pallet on & carry things around like you would do with a Gator or something but if you already have a loader, you probaly want the forks.

 

[DHD]

The QA frames are quite reasonable at auctions. This one was purchased at Ritchie Bros. Auctions and a log carrier built on it. They have actions all over the world. An auction yard is only 20 miles away from my place. Maybe you can find something similar.

The cheapest frame and fork combination I've seen around here is about $500 used,
for a Skid Steer, and its heavy, and I 'd have to get it adapted to the Kubota Pin QA.

The new Kubota Pallet frame, for the Kubota Pin QA, is $544.00 at 145 pounds,
and the 36" pallet forks are $350.00 at 154 pounds.
Total $894.00 at 299 pounds. These are 6 year old suggested retail prices.
So with time and fluctuating steel prices, actual cost maybe differant now.
This is the Frame /Fork combination Kubota builds for the B7800 tractor with Pin QA.
I would think aftermarket frame/forks could be cheaper,
but probably about the same in weight.

The Carry-All is about $135 includeing tax at Tractor Supply,
and I'd have to adapt it to the Kubota Pin Qa also, less than $50.0O for me.
The Carry-All is rated to carry 1000 pounds and it weights only 75 pounds,
and maybe it would weigh 100 pounds after QA adapters are added.

I would be able to carry 199 pound more in payload by using the
Carry-all Qa compared to the Kubota frame/fork QA.
For me, payload is a bigger concern than adjustable forks.

I have been hauling my 16" firewood from the woods on
pallets/wood racks on my 3 point carry-all,
with a homemade rack on the front,
carrying buckets of sand for front end ballast.
Now that I have a loader with pin QA,
my plan was to use the Carry-all QA attachment to also haul firewood.
The wood on my 3 point carry-all would be ballast for the loader QA carry-all loaded with wood.
I know of another B7800 owner that uses 800 pound 3 point ballast with no problem.
I just got to make sure that I load the loader QA carry-all last and unload it first,
to insure my rear tires don't come off the ground.

 

[gwdixon]

Sounds like you have a good plan. Go for it.

My only issue is that fooling with the bucket and carry-all by taking it on and off could be discouraging to its use.

The channel iron, clamp-on, forks can be put together for less than $100 total. They weigh about 20 pounds each. They might be worth a try first to see if they will do the job before going into a full-blown project to adapt a carry-all to your QA.

The clamp-on forks can always be used for other projects if lifting cordwood at the extended distance is a problem. I don't think it would be given that a 1/4 cord of wood doesn't weigh enough to keep the lift from getting at least a foot off of the ground. Remember, the FEL weight rating is to the very top of the lift.

BTW, the frame used for the log lifter was $200 new. The last one of the eight at the auction went for $100. There are also the QA flat plates to be welded to whatever for $50-$100 new. They are the skid steer type so wouldn't do you much good.

 

[Northland]

I have TSC carry-all that I never use anymore as I find I like having the box blade on the back as a counter-weight and for trail maintenance.

My $1000 Tatro bucket grapple/WR Long electric valve kit has worked out to be the perfect front end tool along with my tooth bar. I thought about getting the Payne forks with logging attachments but the grapple is better for my applications-logs and rocks