B2650 vs B3350

[ericher69]

Looking at upgrading to a B2650 or B3350 from my current B2920

Cons with B2650 vs B2920

1.5hp less on PTO

Pro's with B2640 vs B2920

A/C
Factory cab
Position control on 3pt hitch
Telescoping stabilizer links on 3pt hitch
Bigger tires
Heavier tractor

Cons with B3350 vs B2920

DFP
Greater fuel consumption

Pro's with B3350 vs B2920

6 PTO hp more
4 cyl vs 3 cyl

Intended use is residential snow removal (contract)

Another advantage of new B2650 B3350 is warranty

I will keep my 63" front mount blower

Price difference here in Canada between b2650 and b3350 is $7K

Any opinions on which one and why?

Thanks

ericher69

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[Kanook]

I took delivery of a factory cab 2650 in Dec 2013 and it is used for residential snow removal and is equipped with the front mount 63" blower. It had no difficulty handling the 18 driveways I looked after last winter. I chose the 2650 over the 3350 due to the price differential vs modest performance difference. The tractor had no difficulty driving the snowblower even under heavy wet snow conditions. The heated comfortable cab made operation even in unpleasant cold and blowing snow conditions comfy.

If I didn't like the smell of that additional $7k stuffed in my mattress, I may have sprung for the 3350.

 

[tk tom]

I would only look to the 33 if I needed that extra PTO power. Hydraulics on the 26 are equally capable. Position control and stabilizers are really nice on the 50 series, very nice. Aaaaand I like the simplicity of a non-DPF motor.

 

[AStanton]

There is something to be said for, "Go big or go back." However, nothing beats a cab in the wintertime. I would also look at the spacing between the wheels and frame/fenders. It's would be nice to be able to chain up the rear tires and not need spacers.
I love my cabbed 3030 in the wintertime, especially when you get those pesky storms that change from snow to rain or rain to snow.

 

[ericher69]

I took delivery of a factory cab 2650 in Dec 2013 and it is used for residential snow removal and is equipped with the front mount 63" blower. It had no difficulty handling the 18 driveways I looked after last winter. I chose the 2650 over the 3350 due to the price differential vs modest performance difference. The tractor had no difficulty driving the snowblower even under heavy wet snow conditions. The heated comfortable cab made operation even in unpleasant cold and blowing snow conditions comfy. If I didn't like the smell of that additional $7k stuffed in my mattress, I may have sprung for the 3350.

Thanks for your first hand experience reply! 7K for me is hard to swallow.

I would only look to the 33 if I needed that extra PTO power. Hydraulics on the 26 are equally capable. Position control and stabilizers are really nice on the 50 series, very nice. Aaaaand I like the simplicity of a non-DPF motor.

don't think I'll notice the missing 1.5pto hp as the current PTO I have has no issues turning the 63" front blower.

There is something to be said for, "Go big or go back." However, nothing beats a cab in the wintertime. I would also look at the spacing between the wheels and frame/fenders. It's would be nice to be able to chain up the rear tires and not need spacers. I love my cabbed 3030 in the wintertime, especially when you get those pesky storms that change from snow to rain or rain to snow.

can't justify the extra 6pto hp for 7K more (I realize 3K of this is for DPF engine)

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[s219]

I should warn you, if you are used to the hot-rod power-to-weight performance of the 2920, you will probably think the 2650 is a bit sluggish. I'd almost suggest you look into putting a cab on the 2920, but I know nothing of the practicality (other than several companies do make aftermarket cabs).

 

[ericher69]

I should warn you, if you are used to the hot-rod power-to-weight performance of the 2920, you will probably think the 2650 is a bit sluggish. I'd almost suggest you look into putting a cab on the 2920, but I know nothing of the practicality (other than several companies do make aftermarket cabs).

I do have a SIMS cab on the b2920.

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[boggen]

check overall TOP MPH (miles per hour) see if tires you choose are the larger diameter type. to slightly increase top speed when roading between jobs (contract work)

double check to see if it comes pre wired for backup caution horn, yellow caution lights, correct turn signals both front/rear

double check that you do get the "larger" alternator, most give larger with cab, but not always

check to see if "slow motion" yellow/triangle sign can be mounted on rear or if you need to devise another plan of attack to mount it.

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errr just saw from Canada so not sure about actual rules of road vs US, but would assume like rules.
example.. not sure if you can get away with chains or not pending on time of year.

 

[s219]

I do have a SIMS cab on the b2920.

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So then what are you really trying to gain? To me things like position control and telescopic stabilizers are not that compelling to make up for the power decrease and weight increase you'd have to eat with the 2650 (and you can always add telescopic stabilizers to the B2920). Not trying to deter you, but I don't see a real compelling reason to go from a 2920 to a 2650. And the 3350 cost is out of line for the extra power. Same argument applied when considering the old B3200/B3300 compared to the 2920. To me, a more compelling jump, especially considering bang for buck, would be to an L series.

 

[ericher69]

So then what are you really trying to gain? To me things like position control and telescopic stabilizers are not that compelling to make up for the power decrease and weight increase you'd have to eat with the 2650 (and you can always add telescopic stabilizers to the B2920). Not trying to deter you, but I don't see a real compelling reason to go from a 2920 to a 2650. And the 3350 cost is out of line for the extra power. Same argument applied when considering the old B3200/B3300 compared to the 2920. To me, a more compelling jump, especially considering bang for buck, would be to an L series.

Much nicer cab
Better visibility
A/C
Defogger
More weight (better traction)

L series is way more $$ and it will NOT fit in my garage. Plus I can use ALL current attachments on B2650 but could not on L series

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[Kanook]

I moved up to the B2650 cab model from a B1700 with a SIMcab. Needless to say available pto hp took about a 40% gain in my case. My main reason was because the old tractor had a rear mounterd snow blower and this old body in the tractor seat was complaining about the continual twisting to look backward and the dealer gave me a very good trade up to the 26.
The factory cab came equipped with all the front and rear work lights, flashers, turn sigs, smv sign at the back, wipers front and rear with washer, and of course radio,heat and ac (which helps keep the windows from fogging up in winter)

The self installed SIMcab on my old unit did an very good job of keeping the winter out and I certainly have no complaints about it considering its cost...but it can,t compare with the factory unit.

In my situation the physical footprint of the tractor is important. The driveways I clear are country estate (their term not mine..I call them well and septic) and require in most cases some very delicate manuvering that the B series vs larger platforms allows. The B2650 although larger than the old B1700 has a smaller turning radius.

I hang a Landpride box blade off the backend to pull the snow away from garage doors etc and then back over the pile and then drop the blower and continue forward. (the box blade doesn't spill snow out the sides)

BTW...I was told by a mechanic that K (and others) purposely under rates the B2650 hp to keep it under the threshold that would require DPF technology (26hp). I guess only a dyno could say one way or the other.

Just my 5 cents worth. (we round up/down here now when paying cash)

 

[tk tom]

I assume the weight of the cab will help some with ballast during loader operation, but this machine is underweight for proper loader usage IMO. I have the R4's, loaded tires, and ballast box and it'll stick pick up a rear tire in certain bucket curl situations. This may also be due to some operator inexperience or possibly not quite enough weight in the box, but the loader is very powerful with the 60" bucket or pallet forks. The quick attach is extremely convenient. On the BX we have, I found we'd skip out on certain chores due to the difficulty in swapping pins out for attaching the forks or reattaching the bucket. I'll now change back and forth between bucket and forks many times in one day while getting chores done. I use the interchangeability way more than I anticipated - and only because it's so easy. It can and will scoop a full bucket of loam/dirt - and do it somewhat easily with a little practice and finesse. I thought the 54" bucket would have been better suited at first but with time the 60" is growing on me.

I can't say it's any sort of hotrod like mentioned on the 2920, but would be very impressed if the 2920 had the same capabilities with the loader.

 

[ericher69]

I can't say it's any sort of hotrod like mentioned on the 2920, but would be very impressed if the 2920 had the same capabilities with the loader.

I wouldn't call the B2920 a hot rod by any means.

Guess I don't have anything else to compare with...

PTO hp on the B2920 is never lacking although a dull pass of wet heavy snow with the 63" blower lets you know it's there.

I can't imagine 1.5pto hp less making a huge difference.

As for the hydro hp well I have always run out of traction vs hp.

Just learned another plus for b2650. Brakes are on the left hydro on the right; go figure!

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[HEC]

I had to make a decision much like yours as far as 3350 or 2650 , I chose the B2650 w/cab as I wanted no part of the dpf if I could help it and saved money doing it . I also have the 63 inch blower as my age is up there and I was tired of turning and looking backwards all the time on my m5700 open cab with a 7 ft. blower , and it was just a little bit cold doing it . I had to do some modifications to my overhead door so the 2650 would go in but it is all set now .

 

[tk tom]

I wouldn't call the B2920 a hot rod by any means.

Guess I don't have anything else to compare with...

PTO hp on the B2920 is never lacking although a dull pass of wet heavy snow with the 63" blower lets you know it's there.

I can't imagine 1.5pto hp less making a huge difference.

As for the hydro hp well I have always run out of traction vs hp.

Just learned another plus for b2650. Brakes are on the left hydro on the right; go figure!

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Someone previously mentioned it being a hotrod with high power and low weight. High power and low weight seems great for running mowing operations for low ground impact but bad for everything else. B2650 brakes are definitely a plus on the left!

 

[Kanook]

A word of caution on those brakes...It is my habit to lock the brakes when parking the unit..I have more than once driven off with the brakes on and not realized they were engaged...A warning light or audible alarm warning would be nice. The brake pedal on the left where it belongs and can be used as a steering aid when the 2 pedals aren't locked together is nice.

 

[tk tom]

Do you have a cab model? I leave the parking brake set quite often but within an instant I can tell I left it on from either the resistant or whine of the hydro. I have more of a bad habit of forgetting to lift the 3pt..... No damage yet, though.

 

[Kanook]

Do you have a cab model? I leave the parking brake set quite often but within an instant I can tell I left it on from either the resistant or whine of the hydro. I have more of a bad habit of forgetting to lift the 3pt..... No damage yet, though.

Yes ... Factory cab....and I too on occasion have dragged around whatever is hanging off the 3pth.

 

[ericher69]

A word of caution on those brakes...It is my habit to lock the brakes when parking the unit..I have more than once driven off with the brakes on and not realized they were engaged...A warning light or audible alarm warning would be nice. The brake pedal on the left where it belongs and can be used as a steering aid when the 2 pedals aren't locked together is nice.

Yeah see I don't need to worry about this on the b2920 as the brakes are useless

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[ericher69]

So I guess it comes down to wether or not I believe the extra 6pto hp is worth 7K.

Anyone have any experience running a 60" rotary cutter behind the 2650 with a/c on?

If so any issues power wise?

Thanks

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