B2920 vs B7800 vs B3030

[Ductape]

I'm contemplating selling / trading my 190hr B2400 to upgrade to a new tractor. I'm looking at the three tractors above. I need to iron out their (non cosmetic) differences. I'm looking for apples - to - apples comparisons on FEL capacity , three point capacity, hydraulic capacity, etc. Specs get confusing when lift capacity for one may be at the pins, a different model maybe 24" out from the pins. Also..... hydraulic GPM numbers get confusing as they seem to add the power steering into the total, which leaves one trying to find out what the PS uses to minus from the total GPM. Does anyone know if the new loader on the 2920 might end up with a skidsteer type QA available for it?

 

[amigauser]

I'm contemplating selling / trading my 190hr B2400 to upgrade to a new tractor. I'm looking at the three tractors above. I need to iron out their (non cosmetic) differences. I'm looking for apples - to - apples comparisons on FEL capacity , three point capacity, hydraulic capacity, etc. Specs get confusing when lift capacity for one may be at the pins, a different model maybe 24" out from the pins. Also..... hydraulic GPM numbers get confusing as they seem to add the power steering into the total, which leaves one trying to find out what the PS uses to minus from the total GPM. Does anyone know if the new loader on the 2920 might end up with a skidsteer type QA available for it?

Kubota FEL model numbers are the loader rating in Kilograms. Thus the B3030 LA403 loader and the B7800 LA402 loader are nearly identical in lift capacity. The new B2920 LA364 loader lifts over 100 lbs less weight than the two larger "B" tractors. I doubt Kubota will offer a q/a for it. They only offer a proprietary pin type q/a for the LA403 and you have to go aftermarket such as ATI Tach-All to get a skid steer type q/a.

Loader Difference
Smaller B Series LA364 is 952lbs at the pivot pin
Larger B Series LA403 is 1091lbs at the pivot pin

I believe the hydraulics are similiar in all 3 models. The B3030 is the more deluxe tractor with position control, ratcheting lower links, etc. If the price is close the B3030 gives a lot of bang for the buck.

Norm

 

[bandit67]

You would be best off getting ATI's pin-type QA, as it will not use up as much FEL capacity on the smaller loaders. RonJHall has the ATI pin-type on his B2910, and it doesn't appear to be too big of a hassle.

I'm going for that type regardless of which of the 3 above mentioned machines I end up with so I keep as much FEL capacity as possible, while still getting a quick attach for bucket, pallet forks, and snow plow.

 

[Barnboy]

I have a Kubota pin-type quick disconnect for my B3030. I just had to have it when i bought the tractor. I think i removed the bucket once. If i had forks i might use it more often. Maybe Kubota offers pin-type for the new B's

 

[Torrak]

On this topic.. Does anyone know any significant differences between say the B2920 and the B3030?

All I had to compare the 2 was the 2008 Catalog, but from what I am seeing, there is only a couple HP difference between the 2920 and the 3030, the 2920 is a few inches narrower and a few inches shorter.

Yet what I need to know is.. what makes it so significant that my dealer quoted me almost $4500 less on the B2920?

Many thanks!

JB

 

[ChuckinNH]

Bandit67 took some good pictures of the two side, by side, and that makes it easier to visualize the differences. I'll attach them here, and hope Bandit doesn't mind. Lift capacities are greater with the larger B on both ends. For some like me, perhaps the smaller tractor is even to be preferred, for others, the extra size, weight, and capacities make the difference. The B2920 uses a smaller 3 cylinder engine which I like for my uses, and it should be better on fuel.

 

[bandit67]

I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU REPOSTED MY PICTURES, CHUCK!!!!

Torrak,
I'm not sure if the pictures I took really get the point across, but the feeling you get when sitting on both machines is that the B3030 feels significantly larger, and especially, much wider. The B2920 feels just a tad bigger than my previous subcompact. In fact, the loader bucket is only 1" wider than my subcompact's 48" bucket.

The motors feel very different, too. The 29hp comes from a 77 cu.in. engine at 2800 rpm, while the 30hp comes from a 91.5 cu.in. engine at 2600 rpm. That makes for a fairly significant overall power difference, including a large torque difference. FEL capacities are within 150 lbs, but there is a big difference in 3pt capacities, and the overall PTO & 3pt system on the B3030 is far superior, IMO. And frankly, after trying both machines out, if the specs for the B2920 loader are correct, I'd be concerned with being able to lift that much with such a small machine (based on the full height capacities).

I got quote differences for TLB models of $2800 & $2900 from 2 dealers and $3700 from another. My feeling after looking at both is that the difference should be in the $3000-3500 range, but certainly not $4500.

 

[Torrak]

I'm sorry, I confused the B3030 quote of a higher priced dealer with the one from the dealer who quoted me on the B2920.

The lower cost dealer quoted me the following prices:

$18,100.00 for the B3030

$14,500.00 for the B2920

Both obviously without the Backhoe, for a difference of $3600.00.

JB

 

[MessickFarmEqu]

I'd ask him to double check those figures. The price for the 2920 is too good to be true, and the B3030 is a pretty high. Somthing does not jive.

 

[bandit67]

I'd say those prices are pretty close for the western half of the country, especially for the far left coast. The best quote I got from local dealers was $21,500 delivered & tax included for the B2920 TLB with thumb. If you added $6k for the backhoe w/thumb to your price, plus tax, you're right at the quote I got. I assume the quotes you got were tax & delivery included?

 

[lawn_king]

The B3030 is a beautiful machine, well worth the money, i will be very sad to see ours go.

 

[bandit67]

The B3030 is a beautiful machine, well worth the money, i will be very sad to see ours go.

I will be very glad to see mine show up.

 

[lawn_king]

I will be very glad to see mine show up.

What tires did you get?

 

[bandit67]

Industrials. Ags would have been a little better for traction, but I need tires that can handle larger loads, and rocky terrain, along with being a bit more puncture resistant. I got the rears loaded, and will get chains if I have winter traction issues.

 

[Racer71]

Go to your dealer and park all three tractors side by side by side and start looking at them. You will be supprised at the differences you see. Now you can start deciding which will work better for you.

 

[lawn_king]

Turf tires work really well in snow, much better than i expected.

 

[Timber]

The B7800 is great, Who needs all that fancy AC and cabs who listens to AM anyway. Position control BAAA real men feel the earth through the controls. Whats this world coming too anyway. You haven't lived till you mangled a turnbuckle and then fought with it for 6 months before you replaced it. Just kidding you can not go wrong with any of these tractors. I love mine more than anything

 

[boroxc]

I'd ask him to double check those figures. The price for the 2920 is too good to be true, and the B3030 is a pretty high. Somthing does not jive.

Neil,

I just got a quotes of $13,449 for the B2920 and $12,584 for the B2620. I really didn't think the price was bad either? In fact the package price of TLB 2620 with 54' mmm (When I purchase I'll go to the 60) BX2763A front blade is $23,225. Neil do you think the package deal is low as well?


Comparing the new B's to the 78 or 3030 on paper may be closer than I feel they would compare side by side on the job. The older larger B's as Chucks opps... Bandits pictures indicates are larger. I keep finding myself wanting to say much larger... But that not the case. I would however like to know the volume of the FL comparison to see if its as big of a difference as it appears? I was at a local dealer this weekend and saw a 2630 and the difference was significant I thought!

Since the CFO has given me permission to go ahead and get a tractor this spring I think I'm leaning toward the B2920 TLB, loaded tires, 60mmm, chains, front plow. Thats as soon as they can get one in for me to play on. The local dealer even volunteered to let me demo one on my property due to the slope of the land. I thought it was a very nice move on their part!

Enjoy your research I have for 2 years now... Wonder what I'll do with my time when I get the tractor then?????

 

[irwin]

Neil,

Enjoy your research I have for 2 years now... Wonder what I'll do with my time when I get the tractor then?????

Why you'll begin the process again. Step one is finding some job that is too big for your present tractor. Step two is more of step one, then the obsession starts...