B3030 and B26

   / B3030 and B26 #81  
The Gardener said:
My recomendation:
Untill you get to the point of doing ground maintenence, the B3030 and B26 just won't cut it if unless you are thinking typical suburban yard scale kind of stuff.


I actually think we are closer to ground maintenance than I might have conveyed. Our garden efforts have become a major focus now that they are in their 9th year of development. We hand built the entire garden system using a pitch fork, a shovel, a wheel barrel, and the car to drag some larger stones on a plywood raft. All of the rock staircases and pathways are well under way with many more stones to add. It has been a passionate endeavor, but age and loftier ideas have finally dictated the need for some hydraulic assistance.

We want to add a very small pond off the back deck [maybe 10' x 6' in a cloud shape] and tie all of the gardens together with this pond [water feature as the center piece]. Stone placement in the gardens and further tree work down below are part of this plan. I think those types of efforts fall under the description of ground maintenance. I like that term. It seems very appropriate when compared to projects that require larger equipment. Other than further woods clearing efforts to open more field space and our desire to plant some lower growing trees in specific locations to add color and interest while preserving the view, the hiring out looks to be nearing the end.

I did give serious consideration to a different tandem: the L39 and a Kubota mini excavator. I really love both of those machines. But, my skill level, the time I have available to use this equipment, and the length of time [and the amount of work] we'd truly require the services of two substantial machines such as those made me re-think this decision. Our property can certainly support and justify larger equipment, but our inner conscience would most likely see this as overkill. We're just not at that level as operators.

I think we can tackle most of the remaining projects with a B26: especially clean-up and tree handling. I also think I am better off bringing in the experts with their larger equipment to do the major woods clearing that still remains. They're so fast, so efficient, and so good at what they do that it seems to be the best bang for the dollar. I typically drop trees while they are here, and they grab and pile them for me. It's a nice workout, and to see them flung into a perfect pile sure makes the effort seem worthwhile.

If I am lucky, Kubota may add a smaller mowing option with a cab and A/C than the B3030 by time we are able to make that purchase. I certainly do not need a tractor as powerful as the B3030 to be a mower, primarily. That is overkill, and I wish I could avoid such an elevated expense. But, A/C is something that I would like to enjoy, and, for now, the B3030 is the smallest option Kubota has to offer.

If they added a cab and A/C to the BX24, I'd buy that as my lawn mower and be elated with its 60" MMM. That would be awesome.

Any chance any of you see the BX24 or its replacement offering a cab and A/C in the future???

It looks like your getting it figured out. I doubt you will ever see a cab on the BX models. It is so small to begin with that a cab would take so much of that versatility away. Best wishes...
 
   / B3030 and B26 #82  
_RaT_ said:
It looks like your getting it figured out. I doubt you will ever see a cab on the BX models. It is so small to begin with that a cab would take so much of that versatility away. Best wishes...
Yeah, a cab with a tractor attachment :) Funny visual... here I thought the respective proportions of the B3030 w/Cab were about the limit.
 
   / B3030 and B26 #83  
The Gardener said:
... and I am under constant attack from black flies, mosquitos, deer fly, and horse fly. Bug netting is 100% successful at deflecting their attacks, but it adds to the heat and discomfort of the cutting effort. Early evening cuts help with the heat, but the motor heat is unavoidable and the bug attacks intensify after sundown.
Ya hadn't mentioned earlier about the bugs, but your attachment to that cab seems much more justifiable now.
Anyway, congratulations on establishing a game plan... that is a major accomplishment in and of itself, especially given the overwhelming options, facts, and opinions. Now just wait until you go to buy a ZTR (if you ever do)...tractor shopping for me was easy by comparison. Everybody and their brother makes a ZTR now and opinions fly just like on here, if not worse.
 
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#84  
Everybody and their brother makes a ZTR now and opinions fly just like on here, if not worse.

It is amazing how quickly this shift took place. I recall seeing tons of landscape trailers with those mowers that the operator stood on a small platform in the rear. Those mowers were everywhere. I saw one recently [certainly a hold over], but almost every landscape trailer in my region has the zero-turn. There are too many brands to list. I can say for certain having easily seen a thousand of them during my commute this spring that I have only seen ONE Kubota zero-turn. And, he is a local guy.

My friend in Missouri recently purchased a TORO zero-turn after testing a half dozen brands in cutting scenarios. He loves his Toro. He opted for the 60" deck, and he could not be happier with this overall selection thus far. His research and testing, as with any of his purchases, was extensive, thorough, and admirable.

He liked all of the brands, but chose this Toro for reasons I'd have to re-read in one of our many e-mail exchanges as we discussed the pursuit/purchase.

Toro Model:
Toro® Z Master® Z589 Commercial Series Liquid Cooled and DFI Zero Turn Riding Lawn Mower – Commercial Lawn Mower

He was the one who steered me away from the zero-turn because he was uncomfortable with me riding down steeper slopes. He also felt that the bumpy fields that we have would beat the zero-turn up more so than a tractor because of the speed you can travel while cutting with the ZTR. He flies along, but he felt that I would be forced to run at 3/4 speed, at best. That is still significantly faster than a riding lawn mower.

I still want to look at his Toro which also offers a 16", ceiling fan that attaches to the top of the ROPS. That might be more than enough of a deterrent to any bug trying to land on me. This fan has me very intrigued. It could very well achieve three needs: some shade, bug relief, and coolness.


Toro ROPS Fan:
http://www.toro.com/professional/parts/images/Cool Top_490-7487.pdf

The cost savings of the Toro ZTR w/ a fan vs the B3030 w/ a cab is substantial. That is certainly a big plus. The upside to the B3030 is that you gain a full blown farm tractor when not cutting grass. That is a big plus.

Having choices is always ideal, and I am definitely seeing a number of viable solutions to our long term needs on the property.

Thanks you guys, again, for your input and help!!!

The Gardener
 
   / B3030 and B26 #85  
That ROPS fan is pretty slick. I could see some real potential in retrofitting that to any rops tractor.
 
   / B3030 and B26 #86  
The Gardener said:
Everybody and their brother makes a ZTR now and opinions fly just like on here, if not worse.

It is amazing how quickly this shift took place. I recall seeing tons of landscape trailers with those mowers that the operator stood on a small platform in the rear. Those mowers were everywhere. I saw one recently [certainly a hold over], but almost every landscape trailer in my region has the zero-turn. There are too many brands to list. I can say for certain having easily seen a thousand of them during my commute this spring that I have only seen ONE Kubota zero-turn. And, he is a local guy.

My friend in Missouri recently purchased a TORO zero-turn after testing a half dozen brands in cutting scenarios. He loves his Toro. He opted for the 60" deck, and he could not be happier with this overall selection thus far. His research and testing, as with any of his purchases, was extensive, thorough, and admirable.

He liked all of the brands, but chose this Toro for reasons I'd have to re-read in one of our many e-mail exchanges as we discussed the pursuit/purchase.

Toro Model:
Toro® Z Master® Z589 Commercial Series Liquid Cooled and DFI Zero Turn Riding Lawn Mower – Commercial Lawn Mower

He was the one who steered me away from the zero-turn because he was uncomfortable with me riding down steeper slopes. He also felt that the bumpy fields that we have would beat the zero-turn up more so than a tractor because of the speed you can travel while cutting with the ZTR. He flies along, but he felt that I would be forced to run at 3/4 speed, at best. That is still significantly faster than a riding lawn mower.



The Gardener

My "farmer" and "trailer trash camping buddy"..:D has a big Toro mower such as that. Cuts grass super fine...but here is one thing he and his wife ( that many many times cuts the lawn with it)...found out.

It does have to be a STEEP slope at all...and if the grass is the slightest bit WET...they SLIDE! And with the "fat" drive tires on them..there is no "PSI" bearing down on the soil to get a good traction grip..and you cant pull the hat off your head...YOU GET STUCK!

He has a "ditch" ( not a real ditch..more of a slope sided drainage ravine..??) that cuts diagonally across his front yard. He has mowed his hard(s) for about 25 years with a 12HP riding tractor...never had a problem. Tractor is SHOT now..flat worn out so he bought a "zero turn" because "everyone has one" sort of thing.

I can easily see and understand them for some yard applications...because I know others that have them and cut grass like the proverbial "SOB"...but their lawns are ALMOST flat enough that water wont run off ( it does but no visible slope to any part of it)

Not so with my friends...and I wouldnt have know about it but he was out of the country on business once and his wife got it stuck...:eek:...and called me on the phone to come puller her out fo the "ditch". I drove over ( about 3 miles or so) hooked a chain to the front of it and backed up slow and pulled it right out with my Jeep Liberty.

She had been mowing the "ditch" and was running WITH the ditch itself ( wet grass) and those fat rear tires slid right down the SMALL slope and got her perpindicular to the ditch and again..those fat tires couldnt get any grip on the wet / slippery grass.
 
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#87  
... ( wet grass) and those fat rear tires slid right down the SMALL slope and got her perpindicular to the ditch and again..those fat tires couldnt get any grip on the wet / slippery grass.

I wonder if the simple avoidance of cutting wet grass would eliminate these sliding and traction issues. The F-series 4WD mower is probably the ideal solution for all conditions, but $17K is well beyond reach for a dedicated lawn mower. I just can't afford that price.

The Gardener
 
   / B3030 and B26 #88  
The Gardener said:
... ( wet grass) and those fat rear tires slid right down the SMALL slope and got her perpindicular to the ditch and again..those fat tires couldnt get any grip on the wet / slippery grass.
I wonder if the simple avoidance of cutting wet grass would eliminate these sliding and traction issues
I was thinking the same thing... especially why would you be trying to cut a wet ditch. Yeah commercial ZTRs are supposed to handle wet grass, and that's important when there's only so many hours in a day and you depend on it to make a living. But I wouldn't cut wet grass with my own, if for no other reason than I don't want to have to clean up the huge mess it makes out of the mower. Also makes the mower work harder/burns more fuel.
 
   / B3030 and B26 #89  
DiezNutz said:
I was thinking the same thing... especially why would you be trying to cut a wet ditch. Yeah commercial ZTRs are supposed to handle wet grass, and that's important when there's only so many hours in a day and you depend on it to make a living. But I wouldn't cut wet grass with my own, if for no other reason than I don't want to have to clean up the huge mess it makes out of the mower. Also makes the mower work harder/burns more fuel.

I understand completely...but when your the sort that says "Its thursday..lawn mowing day"...??

I told him if it belonged to me..Id buy enough of that 12"-15" plastic flex piping to run the distance...use his BH and trench it slightly..lay the pipe in it and backfill the swale OUT of his front yard....he says it would cost to much $$..??

Of course..$5000 for a USED commercial mower and $40,000 plus for his L5030 wasnt too much $$..??????
 
   / B3030 and B26 #90  
Sully2 said:
Of course..$5000 for a USED commercial mower and $40,000 plus for his L5030 wasnt too much $$..??????
Heh heh. Can't blow your whole wad on the toys and then not have any money left to play with them. If his wife is anything like every wife I know including mine, there's a finite number of times she'll end up in the ditch before you see his butt out there working on a drainage system like there's no tomorrow. You might even suggest it to her :D
 

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