Comparison B3200 or L3200

   / B3200 or L3200 #11  
Namesway, what do you mean by "the b has a 1/4" 3ph valve=silky smooth, but will very slowly leak "? Also, if I would go with a rear mower, does anyone know if removing the backhoe is as easy as the dealer said when I talked to him over the phone? IS there any other differences with the B3300su cause for $1000 it sounds like a good deal.
I know exactly what you're talking about working on a hillside. I feel I sit up high on my tractor and the slope is old strip mined land that has hidden rocks and holes everywhere. I can only run up and down. Sideways just doesn't feel right although I may not even be close to tipping.
Thanks for everything so far.

I can help with this. The B series have what is know as 1/4 inching 3point valve. In other words the control is normally in the center, and you move it in one direction for up and another for down, but it does not have any feedback mechanism to keep the 3pt at any one position. You set it where you want it, but it will eventually leak down a little. (no valve or cylinder is perfect) There is nothing but you to bump up the implement every once in a while (15 or 20 minutes when they are new) in 1/4 inch increments if you just quickly bump it. This works ok, and is smooth, but some find it annoying to have to constantly adjust for instance a rotary cutter when mowing for hours. Position control on the other hand has a feeback mechanism that know where the 3pt is set at any given time. The lever adjust up and down and does not have a center neutral position, and the 3pt follows the lever. The ones on the "standard" L series, some have a bit of a jerk to them when trying to move the lever slowly up. The Grand L series are silky smooth up and down. Position control will always stay right where you set it, because as it leaks down slowly, it will always reposition it self automaticly due to the feedback mechanism, so as you mow that field for hours it will stay that way. Now in reality you are going to raise and lower the cutter some anyway to avoid obstacles, but with the position control you can set a little stop on the arc of the control lever, and go back to the exact same height, on the 1/4 inching you must look back at the cutter and set it where you want it through trial and error.. Either system works, it is just up to you how you want it to work.

James K0UA
 
   / B3200 or L3200 #12  
Tundra said:
Namesway, what do you mean by "the b has a 1/4" 3ph valve=silky smooth, but will very slowly leak "? Also, if I would go with a rear mower, does anyone know if removing the backhoe is as easy as the dealer said when I talked to him over the phone? IS there any other differences with the B3300su cause for $1000 it sounds like a good deal.
I know exactly what you're talking about working on a hillside. I feel I sit up high on my tractor and the slope is old strip mined land that has hidden rocks and holes everywhere. I can only run up and down. Sideways just doesn't feel right although I may not even be close to tipping.
Thanks for everything so far.


Removing and reinstalling 3ph is very easy once you get used to it. I put my BH on dollies to move it around the garage. I would say after a couple of times it should take less than 10 minutes.
 
   / B3200 or L3200 #13  
Namesway, what do you mean by "the b has a 1/4" 3ph valve=silky smooth, but will very slowly leak "? Also, if I would go with a rear mower, does anyone know if removing the backhoe is as easy as the dealer said when I talked to him over the phone? IS there any other differences with the B3300su cause for $1000 it sounds like a good deal.
I know exactly what you're talking about working on a hillside. I feel I sit up high on my tractor and the slope is old strip mined land that has hidden rocks and holes everywhere. I can only run up and down. Sideways just doesn't feel right although I may not even be close to tipping.
Thanks for everything so far.

the 1/4" valve 3ph as they call it, is a style of control for the 3ph height. i think it is a hydraulic type lift, simular to a loader up/down lift mechanism. any way, say if you were bush hogging with one, you lift the 3ph (3 point hitch) to set your height of cut. it will stay in place pretty good, but the height of the 3ph/bushhog will slowly settle towards the ground, eventually leading to the bushog scalping the ground/hitting. to avoid this you have to keep an eye on how close it is getting to the ground and just remember to move the 1/4" lever up to raise it back up to where you want it=it will slowly leak down. (not leaking hydraulic fluid, but just drift down through the seals or so). not damaging, all 1/4" valve 3ph will do this, even at brand new. i have to remember to bump my lever about every 20 minutes or so while i am bushhogging to keep the cut height consistent. like i said, it doesn't bother me too much, but some people it might. (it might drop 4" in 20 minutes with my bush hog on it, drops quicker with more weight on it. there is a knob below the seat that you can "close" off the gravity down flow speed and helps slow the down drift, an open/close knob like a garden hose on/off).

the L series has "poisition control" 3ph which has a system which "remembers" where it is supposed to be and maintains height. so you could go bushhogging and set the height once and it would stay there all day. costs more too, but is nice. some of the xx00 series 3ph poisition control have been known to be jerky when you try to do fine tune lift adjustments. i have never experienced this, but have heard a lot about it.

the back hoes can be a pain to remove/hook up until you get a procedure down, even then, i wouldn't want to do it all the time. the thing with a mid mount mower is that it can get to be a pain too, to take off and put on. also while it is on, it hinders you when you want to travel over rough terrain with bumps/mounds to go over=can bottom out easily. the mmm can mow closer to obstacles, such as trees/such due to it being in the middle pivot of the mower, as the rear finish mower pull away from the obstacle you want to mow around as you steer around the obstacle. between the 2, it is give and take. you decide how you would like to mow. in my opinion a mmm will out mow a rear finish mower due to manuverability, but is harder to work on and put on off in my opinion.

the b3300su is very much the same tractor as the b3200. b 3300su has 1 more hp, can put larger tires on it, but does not have mid pto. cruise is also an option and does not come standard on the b3300su. if you don't need the mid pto, i think the b3300su would be the better choice. lots of people get a mid pto with their tractor and never use it. some do. either way a mid pto will cost about $1000 more. do you need it or ever forsee a use for it? (mid mount mower, or front mount snowblower???)

when you operate on hills with any of these tractors, i strongly suggest putting it in 4wd. leaving it in 2wd, the tractor can come out from under itself, or lose grip and just start slidding down hill, especially when driving down hill. having it in 4wd gives you an extra axel with gears gripping the ground and greatly limits how easily it can take off out from under you.
 
   / B3200 or L3200 #14  
It all depends how much work you hope to accomplish in a year and how bad do you want to keep your 3 acre lawn smooth. The B will do all the work you are describing but will be a bit slower when it comes to brute force. ie: moving dirt, hauling logs, rocks and the like. However the L will be much harsher on your lawn. That said I have a B7800 (same size as the B3200) and I yarded out 15 full cords of wood this winter and was kind of disappointed how fast it got done. Firewood cutting is among my favorite winter sports.
 

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