Marty thanks alot for the picture, seems like there are several out there that found it interesting too, since several have down loaded the picture. Hopefully more people will post there pictures too, to help me and others build a subframe. I found it interesting that the picture showed the tractor without rops, which my friend says means it is a gray market tractor. Doesnt matter, for the subframe. If you or any others have any more pictures please post for all of us to view. Your picture was great. Thanks for all of your help. I hope to have pictures my self to post at some time. jwb