backhoe strong enough?

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I have a JD 4300 and am giving some thought (stage-one) to purchasing (stage 3) a removable backhoe attachment for the unit. Without stabilizer jacks, and of course the smaller size of the unit, what kind of capability am I looking at? I need to dig some trenches for 6 and 12-inch PVC pipe and leach fields, footings, and holes for septic tanks. If I hear good news, I may move to (stage 2) and begin fanageling....

Thanks, Tracy
 
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Tracy,

I'm not sure if your were interested in a 3rd party backhoe such as Woods etc. or a John Deere backhoe? There are two John Deere models that will fit the 4300, the 47 hoe and the 48 hoe. The 47 is smaller and less capable, but comes in around $1000 less than the 48 hoe. I just purchased a JD 4310 with a 48 hoe as I thought I got a lot more performance for not too much more money.

Either JD hoe will do the job (47 has 7.5ft. digging depth and 48 has 8.5ft. digging depth), but the 48 will be faster.

As for 3rd party hoes... I guess comes down to a question of money and convenience. The 3rd party hoe may be cheaper than the JD hoes, but then you get into problems of fit and convenience. The JD hoes are designed to go on and off in less than 5 minutes without leaving the tractor seat or picking up a tool.

I bought JD brand implements where I felt the fit/convenience was more than worth the extra $$$. When it comes to things which go on the 3pth, like a box blade, I will buy 3rd party because that stuff is more or less standard and less $$$ than Deere for the same or better quality. 3pth implements are pretty much standard and fit isn't as much of an issue. When it comes to loaders, hoes or implements that run off a mid PTO like the MMM or front-mounted snowblower, I think the extra $$$ is worth the headaches/time saved down the road when you change implements between jobs and need stuff to just work.

If money is the overridding factor, then the 3rd party hoe might be your best option as long as you understand the potential issues going forward and make absolutely sure that the hoe is designed to work with that tractor. I'm sure there are other 4300 or 4310 owners here that have 3rd party hoes and would be more than willing to share their experiences so far, both good and bad.

One last thing that caught my eye in your post was the mention that you were looking for a hoe without stabilizers. I don't think I've ever seen a hoe without them. Pardon me if I misunderstood your wording and I don't want to come across as lecturing, but I think safety is the first order of business when working around tractors and their implements.

Too often people sacrifice saftey for convenience. They remove guards, adjust PTO equipment off the tractor while the PTO is runnning, don't use ROPS etc... Just take a look at the safety forum on TBN and the horrific accidents that are talked about there.

I wouldn't want anyone to get a piece of equipment without the proper saftey features in place. The stabilizers are a safety feature if nothing else. Unless there is some exotic circumstance that I've never heard of, I wouldn't think that anyone would make or sell a hoe without stabilizers or another stability compensating device. Just the thought of lawsuits should shelve that idea before it ever gets to the drawing board.

Well, enough of that, I'm sure you get the point. I'm sure some other folks here will be lending their friendly advice and hopefully you'll soon be armed with enough knowledged to move on to that 3rd stage and buy the hoe so that all important 4th stage can be enjoyed - simply using it. /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif Good luck!
Sleepyhollow
 
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I totally agree with sleepyhollow's post. I've got the 48 backhoe on my 4600 tractor and I've done all the things you've talked about and more. I also have never heard or seen a backhoe without stabilizers. If there is one I'd stay as far away as possible from it.
 
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With as well as the Deere hoes work with their tractors, I would never consider getting a 3rd party hoe. I have the JD 47 on my 4300, and it has been great. 1/3 of my hours have been spent using the hoe, and it has done everything I've asked it to. Sometimes I think it might be nice to have the extra reach/power of the 48. However, the 47 will probably do everything I'll ever need, and I'm still glad I saved my $1000.
 
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I don't know what septic tanks u will be using
but the 1500 & 2000 gal. I put in are 6' tall
w/ 1-2' cover u are starting to get pretty deep.
These hoes dig that deep but only for a
couple feet.
Lots of moving around to get hole dug and if it falls
in, plan on Lots of shoveling.
 
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I don't have hoe for mine, wish I did. Check the break out on the 47 and 48. I noticed in your post that you were planning on putting in septic tanks, they do weigh a bunch. Just wondering if a 47 would lift one. Stabilizers are a MUST. I have jostled my tractor around with an FEL on it.
 
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The concrete septic tanks are installed by the
company that sells them.
 
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I also have a 48 backhoe on a JD 4500. This is a great tool, and I wonder what I would do sometimes if I didn't have one. If you are digging larger holes, I highly recommend the 36" backhoe bucket and the 12" bucket. You can really dig a hole quickly with the 36" bucket. The 12" bucket is great for trenching.

I also highly recommend a thumb for the backhoe. I use mine all the time for moving rocks, logs, and grabbing brush.

Kevin
 
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So are the stabilizers on the backhoe unit itself? Or, is this something I would have to add to the tractor.

Thanks for the responses, Tracy
 
   / backhoe strong enough? #10  
Tracy,

The stabilizers are on the backhoe attachment. You really
need them. I just wish they where longer on the JD48. I
think that is the only complaint/issue/wish I have with my
JD 48. Its a great tool to have around.

Later,
Dan McCarty
 

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