Backhoe type

[Roxburyeric]

I'm looking at the CK20 and/or the CK30. I want to get a backhoe with the tractor and wanted everyones thoughts on the new woods 4 point mount vs. the kioti subframe mount. Which is stronger/better and what are the pros and cons of each type. I realize there will be differences in opinion, but I want to hear both sides. How long does it take to take each off and how much storage area is needed to store it? Thanks for your input.

 

[wallace]

Woods subframe will be the strongest... It ties the loader and rear end all together and the brackets stay on the tractor.
The four point does come on and off the fastes and it is by far the eaisest.
I do hang alot of backhoes on Kioti, Rhino, Bush Hog and Woods.
Woods does have more digging force and break out than the others but keep in mind we are not quite comparing apples to apples.
Woods also gives a 2 year full warranty.
Make sure if you do get the woods backhoe you get one of the new 70 or 80 X if you stick to the old style 6500 and 7500 they will be equal to the Kioti Rhino and there is not much of a advantage to go with Woods than.

 

[IslandTractor]

In addition to Rick Wallace's points, I would add that you need to consider cost. I haven't seen much discussion over relative costs of the newer Woods vs comparable Kioti BHs. I have a CK20 and got the KB2365, subframe, and rear remotes for $4800 when I bought the tractor last year. I don't know if that is a good or bad price but you might check out what the new Woods equivalent costs (probably the 70x though it is somewhat more capable than the BH2365 in reach and capacity). I assume the Woods would be more.

There is often comment made regarding how the Kioti subframe lowers the ground clearance. It does by roughly 2-3 inches which leaves you with 9-10 inches or so at the lowest point with is along side the subframe rail on each side of the tractor. I haven't found that to be an issue but the permanent Woods subframe leaves you with more clearance .

 

[KiotiJohn]

I have the 2365, and I have seen the Woods and find it a better hoe. I like the higher clearance allowed by the Woods, and the four point hookup is excellent and easy to use. The faster hookup would probably have to be the Woods. The framework at the boom looks stronger as well.

One of the things that makes the Woods easier to hook up is that the subframe stays with the tractor so one doesn't have to try getting that lined up with the brackets each time.

Even if the Woods costs a little more, you're getting a longer reach, higher breakout, and more ease of use. I'm not sure of the cost since I already had mine when I saw the Woods, I didn't price it.
John

John