Backhoe BACKHOES LETS SEE THEM

[Piston]

Well mine isn't very pretty but i do like it alot!

When I was little, maybe 11 or 12, my dads freind let him borrow a terremite. My dad always showed me how to run things, and taught be about operating the backhoe. I spent ALL day for as many days as I could, aside from school, digging out a small pond until his freind came and picked it back up.

That small pond is still there. I never had so much fun on a piece of equipment in my life! (And it didn't even have a grapple on it)

There is a special place in my heart for those terramites!

 

[kneedeep]

Thinking about pump capacity. On a FEL with 2 cylinders on the bucket tilt you can easily be using 4 cylinders at once. On a backhoe there is one cylinder for each of the 4 axis. If you had the same size cylinders on the FEL and backhoe there should be more the enough capacity.

My little towbehind Dirt Master got to where it only wanted to move the machine in one axis at a time. Found a dent in the hydraulic filter and replaced it. That fixed the problem big time. I suspect that even without the dent it would have been a good idea to change the filter after the first few hours of operation.

Most of the time we only using 2 or 3 axis at a time so I expect it should work fine for you.

I would really like to have a JD 310 or 410 vs the 509 but I don't have the use for a full size machine (or funds) and will only use it for my projects on weekends and vacations. Lots of advice on the best machine- seems those with a full size TLB don't use them much but want more than they paid for them and about the same for the tractor attachment units! Go figuire!!
Looked at a 9'Woods 3pt that has "like new" asking $5k that had never seen a grease gun , shed, good cleaning, new hoses or oil / filter change since new. The offer I made for his beater actually "insulted his intelligence"!!

NO MORE JUNK!!!!!!!:confused2:

 

[farmall 55a case]

I'm down for the count blew a hyd hose on it! Just 8 more trees and that area is done!

 

[bindian]

I did a LOT of research on BH's and the problems with pump capacity. I wanted the biggest unit my tractor would handle and chose Mahindra over Woods for Dealer availabilty and service. Most Woods dealers don't want to sell / install a BH as they prefer to sell whatever Tractor brand they rep.
Discussed with local dealer and he questioned Mahindra about it. A unit with a pump was available but without had to be built. 2 conversations later with rep and I was told the 3510 would operate the BH effeciently without a pump. The pump was only speced for the 00 series. Pump upcharge was $700 vs hose kit - I hope Mahindra knows what they are talking about!!

Kneedeep,
I am not sure what you are referring to when you say...A unit with a pump was available but without had to be built I am talking about a PTO pump. Instead of hoses going to the tractor, they attach to a PTO pump. I sure hope you are not disappointed. The 4110 specs say it has more pump gpm than your 3510.

My Bradco/Mahindra 511 is spec for the 7520 and 6520. When I bought mine, I didn't realize the difference in pump gpm between the two tractors is 6 gpm. I have to run my tractor at full rpm to get good results, were as the 7520 can be run around 12-1500 rpm. I wish I would have bought the 7520 with it's 17 gpm pump.

I hope I am wrong, but I think I see a PTO pump in your future. Sorry to be so bleak.
hugs, Brandi

 

[tractorworks]

Kneedeep,
If you put a pump on I would not use Mahindra. I just replaced the coupler for a 4110 pto pump (neighbor's) and the coupler itself was $300. Get the pump designed for a pto shaft. Less money and is designed to work that way. With the coupler it sticks out further and puts more stress on it. With the pump it is a great backhoe.

 

[bindian]

Kneedeep,
If you put a pump on I would not use Mahindra. I just replaced the coupler for a 4110 pto pump (neighbor's) and the coupler itself was $300. Get the pump designed for a pto shaft. Less money and is designed to work that way. With the coupler it sticks out further and puts more stress on it. With the pump it is a great backhoe.

That is what I am talking about, a pump on the PTO shaft.:thumbsup:
hugs, Brandi

 

[tractorworks]

There are pumps designed to go on a pto shaft. And there are pumps that are adapted to pto shafts with a coupler (like Mahindra uses, or used). I would recommend the former.

 

[bindian]

Kneedeep,
If you don't get parts and ops manual for your BH, let me know and I can make a copy of mine for you.
hugs, Brandi

 

[Ralph Copp]

Here is a picture on my JD 510B. Old, but works great. I had to change some bushings, the last owner didn't know what a grease gun was. Handy machine to have around.

 

[kneedeep]

Mahindra had a 509 with a tank and pump. They would not sell it without and would not take it off. A unit without a pump was not on the yard and would be built, est 6-8 weeks delivery. It only took 5 weeks for the unit to get to the Dealer in Batesville, MS after I placed a order with said dealer. He always orders the backhoe with a tractor and gets complete units in 4-5 weeks after ordering.
He should have it all on in the next couple of weeks as they are covered up with tractor repairs. I quess everybody waits till planting time to repair tractors!??!
If the tractor will not run the back hoe a PTO pump will be the fix. From what you guys are saying the Mahindra Pump setup is NOT the way to go! If a pump is needed I will be calling on you guys for the best way to set it up.
Either way, I got the backhoe !!

 

[bindian]

Mahindra had a 509 with a tank and pump. They would not sell it without and would not take it off. A unit without a pump was not on the yard and would be built, est 6-8 weeks delivery. It only took 5 weeks for the unit to get to the Dealer in Batesville, MS after I placed a order with said dealer. He always orders the backhoe with a tractor and gets complete units in 4-5 weeks after ordering.
He should have it all on in the next couple of weeks as they are covered up with tractor repairs. I quess everybody waits till planting time to repair tractors!??!
If the tractor will not run the back hoe a PTO pump will be the fix. From what you guys are saying the Mahindra Pump setup is NOT the way to go! If a pump is needed I will be calling on you guys for the best way to set it up.
Either way, I got the backhoe !!

Kneedeep,
Oh, OK. I forgot about the tank and all of the stuff that goes with the PTO pump installation. I had no idea Mahindra uses a coupler. Go with a pump that slides on the shaft, if needed. We will be needing numerous photos.

Also, my dealer is always running 3 or so weeks behind.
hugs, Brandi

 

[kneedeep]

You got it and thanks for the backhoe advice

Rod

 

[bindian]

You got it and thanks for the backhoe advice

Rod

Kneedeep,
Your welcome.

If you Quick Disconnects (QDs) are the push on and pull off style, like mine, and you swing the butt of your tractor over with the bucket pivoting on the ground.........and then you suddenly lose hyd. pressure and your controls get slow then stop.............shut down the tractor. and wiggle all controls, then disconnect the QDs and reconnect them. My QDs, over time, lost spring tension and too much BH pressure popped them off just enough to disengage the QD, but still look engaged.

Once I went to all the trouble of bleeding a line to get pressure down in the hose to jack up the stabilizers and put a come-a-long on the boom to raise it and limp back to the barn. When all it was was a popped QD. I'm on the second remote now, as the QDs on the first remote are wore out.
hugs, Brandi

 

[kneedeep]

I remember seeing your thread and following it cause I was working on the backhoe idea (mfg, size, type, FUNDS!) and any backhoe post were studied in depth! Glad your problem was minor especially since I chose a Mahindra 509. Next to EA's 3 PT units the most expensive of all. can't wait to get to digging. Lots of dirt work to be done on 40 acres!

 

[bindian]

I remember seeing your thread and following it cause I was working on the backhoe idea (mfg, size, type, FUNDS!) and any backhoe post were studied in depth! Glad your problem was minor especially since I chose a Mahindra 509. Next to EA's 3 PT units the most expensive of all. can't wait to get to digging. Lots of dirt work to be done on 40 acres!

Kneedeep,
Oh I am sure digging is not all you will use your 509 for. It is mind boggling now to remember all the things I have done with mine.
hugs, Brandi

 

[RAS323]

I have a 3510 with a 509 bh. The backhoe runs off a pto pump, rpms are usually around 1200-1500. The 509 is a beast. When I first got it, I refered to it as getting a backhoe with a tractor attached. I'll try to post a photo or two tomorrow anything in particular you'd like to see (bh is off tractor now)?
http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/...ting/71178d1172530452-3510-lift-kit-after.jpg

 

[kneedeep]

I have a 3510 with a 509 bh. The backhoe runs off a pto pump, rpms are usually around 1200-1500. The 509 is a beast. When I first got it, I refered to it as getting a backhoe with a tractor attached. I'll try to post a photo or two tomorrow anything in particular you'd like to see (bh is off tractor now)?
http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/...ting/71178d1172530452-3510-lift-kit-after.jpg

Is your pump a Mahindra or after market? If aftermarket- Mfg and model of tank and pump.
I would like to see the lift arms with subframe and how the chains are removed to mount unit.
how high off ground to set BH after unhooking for ease of hooking up

Thanks and your rig looks like mine- bad to the bone!!

 

[RAS323]

Is your pump a Mahindra or after market? If aftermarket- Mfg and model of tank and pump.
I would like to see the lift arms with subframe and how the chains are removed to mount unit.
how high off ground to set BH after unhooking for ease of hooking up

Thanks and your rig looks like mine- bad to the bone!!

My pump came with my tractor/bh, more than likely Mahindra. Mahindra's setup doesn't use the lift arms (they are taken off for BH installation). The subframe is aways on the tractor. Two pins hold the bh on the tractor--very easy on/off set up. I'll get some photos today-hopefully.

 

[Piston]

Now if you will get a thumb for that 410 you can really fit more stuff into the dumpster. Last fall we had a huge organ at church from the 60's that was the first generation Hammond solid state organ. It was so heavy and so few want to mess with dead organs of that era we never had anyone to show up to haul it away. On clean up day I took the JD 310 to the front door and they got it into the bucket and I took it to the Dumpster and flipped it out on the ground then turned around and the hoe with the new thumb I picked it up as high as I could and dropped it about three times and crushed it more with the thumb. There was a table, etc in the dumpster and they flipped that out and I crushed it. When I finished and they picked up the pieces the dumpster was not even full.

Well, ,that's the plan, to add a thumb. I've got it all designed, steel cut, and started the initial welding. I bought the hydraulic block I'll need but not the hoses yet. Only problem is, the welder I was using was a friend of mine's, and he decided to sell it in the middle of my project. I wanted to buy it but he was getting more than it was worth, so I passed. I'm now waiting on buying a welder to finish my project, don't know when that day will be though. I may just pay a local welder to finish welding it up for me.
http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/attachments/245990-thinking-about-adding-hydraulic-thumb.html

 

[3v0]

Thinking about this pump size thing. Would choosing a tractor with a hydrostatic transmission solve this problem or are there generally one pump for the drive and another for the rest of the system. I am thinking just one.