BANANA BALE SHAPE PROBLEMS WITH NH 570 BALER

   / BANANA BALE SHAPE PROBLEMS WITH NH 570 BALER
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#11  
Thanks for your replies Tx Jim and Beefer Man.
Ground speed varies according to crop density. On one contracting job in an effort to keep a smooth material flow into the baler in a field with widely varying soil types (loam, white sand, yellow sand gravel or as you may know it laterite) I used 9 out of an available 12 gears with only the top 3 not used because ground speed would have overrun the pickup speed and losing the available hay.
Although many would regard this area as a desert for farming the all years average rainfall for the district is about 490 mm or 19 1/2 inches but variability from season to season can go to less than 250mm or 10 inches. Average bale weight is 25 to 27kg or 55 to 60 lbs. Altering the side of the pickup into which the bales are fed makes no visible difference to the bale. I have tried varying the ground speed and if too high overfeeding occurs which causes even more banana issues, the 570 has a spring loaded packer link which when the feed is at or over capacity "knocks" as the spring works on an over load of hay into the chamber. I am able to run the machine with the wind guard fully extended and the mouth above the pickup full of hay transferring into the chamber. Overfeeding causes overfilling on the right side, underfeeding can cause either overfilling on the left side or underfilling of the top of the bale. Good straw strength conditions I consistently bale 450 bales per hour with reasonable bale shape, bundle (on a separate pass) with a 100 series bale bandit and cart to storage totalling up to 1200 bales per day as a 1 person operation. However baling with that groundspeed in low straw strength conditions results in bales that cannot be handled by the bandit and in very low straw strength conditions cannot be picked up by hand. I have altered packer fork timing by setting timing according to the marks and then fine tuning one link at a time to gradually fetard or advance the packer fork carefully monitoring the result for each incremental adjustment. I have fine tuned the packer fork timing such that the forks just and I mean just clear the plunger entering the chamber. This very close to impact setting gives the best result for bale shape. The dealer with my agreement welded another piece of metal to the top edge of the packer fork with holes to accommodate the link and thus allow further variation to the pattern swept by the packer fork; the result was no difference.
I bale my own crop and do some contracting, somewhat reduced now last year about 9500 own bales and only 1000 contract hay bales and 1500 or so straw bales being oaten straw, wheaten straw, pea straw and some lupin straw. Lupins are a nitrogen fixing, high protein pulse crop.
The 570 does not have an adjustable back panel to the cross-transfer area above the pickup.
My desperation is such that I am considering fabricating a dummy panel first in plywood and to have it as slippery and strong as possible doing it in form-ply (ie ply for concrete formwork) and packed out from the existing rear wall so as to fit in that area. Such a dummy wall would reduce the amount of hay behind the rotors and behind the packer fork.
I am still trying to work out how to finish this dummy rear wall as it comes to the fixed knife/plunger space since I imagine considerable pressure would be applied to the hay on that dummy wall as the plunger compresses the hay in the chamber and the knives shear off the hay in the cross-transfer area and the hay in the chamber. The present design has the fixed knife protruding past the rear wall, so I think I would need for the dummy rear wall to angle back rapidly once past the last rotor set and the fixed knife.
With the third teardrop that I have fitted on the last rotor there should be very minimal hay behind that rotor and the packer forks.
If any one has experience with a rear moveable wall I would appreciate hearing.
I have some time left to fabricate a dummy wall as haying season is around 5 or 6 away still.
 
   / BANANA BALE SHAPE PROBLEMS WITH NH 570 BALER
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#12  
Thanks BeeferMan.
Underfeeding ie windrows too light or ground speed too low I don't think is the problem. Overfeeding results in too much hay in the right side which I know is counter intuitive but a fact. My 570 outbales the other balers that I have encountered and they sure can eat a lot of hay. The tension on the packer fork link spring is correct and I am able to run the baler to the limit of the spring and then just back off a little to stop the link knocking on every stroke. I have tried all sorts of variation of ground speed, I run the baler at 540 pto rpm according to the tachometer reading. I have tried the baler behind a Case 2290 which has the benefit of change on the go, I now usually bale behind my Euroleopard (Foton) 504 and although NH recommend 62 pto hp the tractor runs the baler at the baler's capacity. Just in case the tractor was the problem I have put it behind my Euroleopard 604 for no difference.
I prefer the Euroleopards because the chinese branded engine in the 504 consumes around 50 litres fuel for 8 hrs baling, the 604 is slightly heavier but the Case 2290 uses 130 to 150 litres for the same task.
Your suggestion about the adjustable back panel sounds great, and I have referred to that in post 11 of this thread.
Thanks again for your interest.
 
   / BANANA BALE SHAPE PROBLEMS WITH NH 570 BALER #13  
coondle - Sounds like you've tried more things than I could possibly suggest, I'll just add one more thing:

I'm not familiar with the packer forks on the 570, but based on my experience with the feeder mechanisms on other balers, it's not the timing of the forks to the plunger that is critical, it's where the feeder mechanism places the hay in the bale chamber. Good luck!
 
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#14  
Again you are right, the setting on the packer forks decides the swept pattern of the packer forks and therefore the delivery point into the chamber.
The 570 has 3 anchor points for the link to the baler frame and 3 points on the forks for the link.
I have the anchor point and the fork point both set to deliver maximum hay to the left side of the chamber.
The dealer sent 2 mechanics who argued that I had it wrong so we changed the packer fork settings to the extreme opposite range and the resultant bales would explode on the tail chute or on touching the ground so everything was reset for max reach into the chamber.
Their reasoning was the forks should reach back toward the rotors as far as possible to put the maximum charge of hay into the chamber but as you rightly point out the need is to place the hay into the chamber as far as possible.
Changing the packer fork settings changes the packer fork to plunger timing so that must be reset otherwise extensive and expensive damage may result.
Longer forks would push the hay a little further into the chamber but there is not enough clearance under the path of the forks to the floor of the cross-transfer area to permit longer forks.
With your observations about the placement of the hay and thinking while laboriously typing this reply, my typing skills are the "hunt and pick" method, another modification may be to have a prong added to each prong of the existing fork such that the new prong leads the standard prong into the chamber thereby reaching even further to the left side.
Thanks for the inspiration , I will have to think further on that!
 
   / BANANA BALE SHAPE PROBLEMS WITH NH 570 BALER #15  
coondle
Just trade your NH 570 for an inline baler and your problems will be over.
 
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Very few inline balers over here, only 2 I know of are owned by 2 guys who happen to be neighbours of each other, I don't know the model numbers but both are Cases from the time Case sold what I think were Hesstons rebadged, and the one I am familiar with saw service re-baling big bales into high density smalls to go in shipping containers for export to Asia.
From the performance I have seen and parts issues I will stay with my 570 problems and allI have observed and discussed performance of JD balers the 348 which seems to be JD answer to the NH575. I am aware that you have a JD347.
A used JD 348 is with a nearby dealer but he is asking $26,000 which is I feel too steep, I recently became aware of a JD 348 that was claimed had only done 6,000 bales for $19,000 but it had been sold when I became aware otherwise the sold sign would have been to me.
I have not given up on the 570 yet and am working on a dummy rear wall to the cross-transfer area to reduce the amount of hay behind the last rotor set and behind the packer fork.
 
   / BANANA BALE SHAPE PROBLEMS WITH NH 570 BALER #17  
You could not pay me to use another in line baler. I bought a 4600 Hesston from BigbalerUsa.com 3 years ago. It was supposed to have been thru the shop. They opened one door and ran it out the other and stuck some red colored parts on it. I spent 3 days 2 rolls of twine, and baled 120 bales. Every bale was banana shaped. The field was too rough to run fast enough to fill the chamber with our drought conditions. I had mowed it with a 617 9ft NH disc mower and raked it with a 12 wheel rake. I went back to my old 440 IHC wire tie and had no problems. I also use my Neighbors JD 24 wire tie baler. Only problem with it was that it was missing some bands on the pickup and would leave hay on the ground. I have baled hay for the last 50 years. I could not get used to baling square bales with the baler behind the tractor. I am used to watching the pickup so I can regulate how the baler gets fed.
 
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Balers as a neighbour said to me many years ago are the most frustrating piece of equipment on the farm.From reading this and other forums no baler or brand is immune from poor examples. There are those that would go to the barricades to defend their choice of colour machine.
Some expound the virtues of the JD348 but there are horror stories of failures and dealer failures to help, the tucker finger bars are problematic as is a failure of the packer finger drive, causing catastrophic damage. Nh holland has its own suite of problems and believe me having a hardwood fence post pick up into the chamber of a NH 570 does not do the packer forks or the packer fork crank any good. They lose the new shape and shine really quickly. Repairs are extensive and as with any haying gear expensive.
When the magic of producing bale after bale of hay happens it is very satisfying, but when the magic doesn't happen the corners of the mouth turn down very quickly.
I guess the haying season in the US is near an end whereas mine is about 2 to 3 weeks away.
Hope your season went well, if the rain stops in the next 2 weeks mine should be good!
 
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Thanks for the heads up on the method used elsewhere to address banana bale problems. The solution used in the video is one of the methods I tried early on with the only difference being a slightly different relationship between the original fork holes and the added holes. The video shows the added holes centrally located to the original ie 50% offset. My effort is about a 25% alignment offset, not 50%. The video does not show the baler anchor point for the spring loaded link. The description in the video was a wedge shaped slice with overpacking to the left side. The problem I face is the tendency the overpacking of the right side. of the bale.
Thanks for the link.
 

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