Battery based electric vehicles of today and tomorrow.

[Agvg]

I am guessing there may be points for getting someone behind the wheel for a test drive. Subaru clearly did not want me doing a test drive after driving my Subaru 1.5 hours to get there for the air bag recall.

I would not want a 70 year old so messed up with arthritis so bad that they could not even get in a Model 3 taking a solo hour long test drive during the Nashville rush hour in a $50K+ new Model Y. I do not think me being an EV owner was a factor. Word of mouth promotion is all Telsa uses to grow the company and they still are selling everything they can build.

From what one employee told me the local Ford dealer is not on the list to even get new Mustang EV so that much bite. From the reviews it seems to be a nice EV but Ford and others have not got into making their batteries like Tesla has been doing since 2008.

By 2025 I think the EV industry should be taking shape and become more than just a niche market in the USA which is currently trailing Asia and Europe in EV sales. That may change quickly as old line car companies start fading away due to lack of battery factories and quality EV's can be purchased for $20K due to crashing battery cost. There is NO question that China is going to own the world EV market like Asia owns more and more of the tractor market.

Asian tractors? Must be a US thing, here in Europe most all tractors are built here, but of course we don't have this large hobby market so all most all sales are for commercial use.

And I don't think EU is very interested in giving away the ev market to state sponsored Chinese brands.

 

[Grumpycat]

Asian tractors? Must be a US thing, here in Europe most all tractors are built here, but of course we don't have this large hobby market so all most all sales are for commercial use.

I do not believe you have real 100% European under 100 HP tractors. Parts come from the Asian factories for final assembly in Europe, but that is only compliance engineering. Make-work for locals. The knowledge of how to create a tractor is elsewhere.

50 years ago small Japanese pickup trucks avoided a 25% US import tariff by qualifying as “parts”. Drivable chassis rolled off ships without truck bed or bumpers. Importers built bumpers and truck beds in the USA to circumvent the tariff.

We have under-100 HP tractor “factories” in the USA but they do little more than bolt the parts together.

Some years ago the USA Mercedes-Benz owners’ club magazine featured an article on how the Alabama plant built “kits” for countries who excessively (my choice of word) tax assembled imported automobiles. Rather than assemble the car they packed the components in a crate rolling down the assembly line.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

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This is Sandy Munro's take on why China owns the EV industry.and why the old OEM's will be left out in the cold.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

Asian tractors? Must be a US thing, here in Europe most all tractors are built here, but of course we don't have this large hobby market so all most all sales are for commercial use.

And I don't think EU is very interested in giving away the ev market to state sponsored Chinese brands.

Stuff

www.stuff.co.nz

It sounds like EU is not giving EV market to China but are selling it to China for cash perhaps .

 

[Agvg]

The MG is not a brand that was alive, they bought Rover from BMW but the Rover name didn't follow on the buy. The rest is the same, small British companies that has been half dead for many decades. Volvo was so unfortunately that Ford bought them, and didn't really understand a European small and quite different car maker, they didn't understand Jaguar either. Saab was even more unlucky that had GM as owner, GM had no idea how to run a European car brand, look at Opel, from a economical disaster to profit in a few months after PSA bought them.

But old brands doesn't matter that much, I do believe we will see a lot of changes, I see a lot of VW id, Audi etron, and MB ev so the Germans seems to be on it, the Japanese's except Nissan are behind, Fiat and other Italian brands are very far behind, French brands are on it but a bit slow on picking up speed. BMW is gonna be interesting to follow, have sold a lot of the small Ev but now they must start pushing the larger modells over to EV.

But EU is very aware on the Chinese move to control technology and resources, they are a economical superpower so all countries should be very careful, China is very influential in Africa, not sure the locals will gain much from that development. The Chinese European railway connection is going to be interesting to follow, what will that do for trade.

 

[Agvg]

But you might be right on some tractors, have to take a look on the mf 37 and 47 series to see if I find Chinese originated parts.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

The MG is not a brand that was alive, they bought Rover from BMW but the Rover name didn't follow on the buy. The rest is the same, small British companies that has been half dead for many decades. Volvo was so unfortunately that Ford bought them, and didn't really understand a European small and quite different car maker, they didn't understand Jaguar either. Saab was even more unlucky that had GM as owner, GM had no idea how to run a European car brand, look at Opel, from a economical disaster to profit in a few months after PSA bought them.

But old brands doesn't matter that much, I do believe we will see a lot of changes, I see a lot of VW id, Audi etron, and MB ev so the Germans seems to be on it, the Japanese's except Nissan are behind, Fiat and other Italian brands are very far behind, French brands are on it but a bit slow on picking up speed. BMW is gonna be interesting to follow, have sold a lot of the small Ev but now they must start pushing the larger modells over to EV.

But EU is very aware on the Chinese move to control technology and resources, they are a economical superpower so all countries should be very careful, China is very influential in Africa, not sure the locals will gain much from that development. The Chinese European railway connection is going to be interesting to follow, what will that do for trade.

Since China has or had 600 different EV makers they seem to have tied names of more or less defunct European car makers to some of their new EV makers. If that's the case it sounds like good marketing to me. Being 70 it is hard to grasp China's rise heading towards the top of the heap. They have used the Western universities to out educate the west. Per some posts the China built Tesla's Model 3 are desired over Fremont Model 3's. Since most current OEM'S are going to be downsizing if not outright failing due lack of EV battery factories China is ready to build EV factories in the USA and EU like Japan and other Asian car makers have over the last 30+ years. For some reason Japan has shown no tangible interest in the world EV market. The USA got lucky to have someone from South Africa to put us on the EV path against our collective will.

 

[sd455dan]

Not sure if this has been posted elsewhere?

Polaris is testing their new Electric Ranger

 

[oosik]

I was surprised. There are already over 50 EV charging stations here in Spokane. And a web site listing all current sites in WA. It's pretty easy to see that with a little planning you can go most everywhere in the state and still have access to a charging station.

 

[cqaigy2]

My wife was in Centralia, WA, just off I-5. She said it looked like half of the charging stations were in use. Much higher than if previous years when you'd see 1 or 2 in use.