Battery based electric vehicles of today and tomorrow.

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#261  
EVç—´ will not evolve as there are no appreciable advances in batteries , chargers ,
Motors etc .

Thankfully that is not technically the case with EV batteries today.

Tesla Semi - Wikipedia

Volvo Plans Big Electric Trucks for Local, Regional Hauls - ExtremeTech

The World's Largest Electric Vehicle Is a Dump Truck

Tesla might get into the mining business to secure minerals for electric batteries – TechCrunch
Sounds like he has read the history of Henry Ford owning mines to make his Fords.
 
   / Battery based electric vehicles of today and tomorrow. #262  
EV's will not evolve as there are no appreciable advances in batteries , chargers ,
Motors etc .

Yep, there's no chance there will be advances in technology :eek:



Computers in the future may weigh no more than one and a half tons.​
Popular Mechanics, Forecasting the Relentless March of Science, 1949


I think there is a world market for maybe five computers.​
Thomas Watson, Chairman of IBM, 1943​


There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home.​
Ken Olson​, President, Chairman and Founder of Digital Equipment Corporation, 1977


Let's say you're going to a party, so you pull out some pocket change and buy a little greeting card that plays Happy Birthday when it's opened. After the party, someone casually tosses the card in the trash, throwing away more computing power than existed in the entire world before 1950!
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   / Battery based electric vehicles of today and tomorrow. #263  
Trying to find the quote, but the guy that invented he automobile claimed that only a handful of people would ever learn to drive it.

You have to admit, on that, he was correct.
 
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There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home.​
Ken Olson​, President, Chairman and Founder of Digital Equipment Corporation, 1977
That one surprised me, and it's not that long before home computers became popular. I worked for DEC in the early 90s, and they were in the process of going out of business.

Those darned PCs (and unix servers) were already eating away at our market share. I could see the analogy with any car company saying, "That EV thing will never take off."
 
   / Battery based electric vehicles of today and tomorrow. #265  
I workd for a company that incorporated DEC equipment into their products in 77, like Mail sorting systems. I regret, never having had a computer that used those cassette Disk drives! I did have a Decwriter for a awhile though.
 
   / Battery based electric vehicles of today and tomorrow. #266  
I can see electric cars having a large market share in the future, but batteries are not going to be the energy of choice.

hydrogen fuel cells make a lot more sense, the biggest one being a true claim on being far less polluting. Batteries are dirty, if you say otherwise, it's fanboism.
 
   / Battery based electric vehicles of today and tomorrow. #267  
Trying to find the quote, but the guy that invented he automobile claimed that only a handful of people would ever learn to drive it.

You have to admit, on that, he was correct.

:thumbsup:
 
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I can see electric cars having a large market share in the future, but batteries are not going to be the energy of choice.

hydrogen fuel cells make a lot more sense, the biggest one being a true claim on being far less polluting. Batteries are dirty, if you say otherwise, it's fanboism.

I see the EV's of today being more like the ICE's of the 1920's. A 100 years later the ICE power plant has evolved a lot but still dumps 80 gallons of gas by products into our living environment for every 100 gallons we put into the gas tank. This is in your face and up your nose local pollution that is starting to bother me in a physical way. If this could be functionally address the car makers would have done so long ago instead of saying they are stopping development of ICE's.

Hydrogen fuel cell usage to power EV's can become a common place by 2050 I expect but there are many Cons besides pollution to be conquered over the next 30 years if this happens by 2050 it would seem.
12 Hydrogen Fuel Cells Pros and Cons – Vittana.org

Today the development of batteries for EV's continue in most all countries and universities around the world. Solid state batteries could prevent hydrogen fuel cell usage ever going main stream in EV's.
The Inventor of the Lithium-Ion Battery Invents an Even Better One

Today's lithium ion technology is not without issues in performance and environmental impacts. My 2016 Nissan Leaf SV is showing a 35% degradation mileage wise at 21K miles so instead of a 107 travel range it is down to more like 70 miles like the former 24 kWh battery pack instead of the 30 kWh battery pack that I have. There is a software update that many owners say that reversed the perceived degradation and gave them back the full 107 mile range and made the state of Battery Health Meter (SOH) read 100% again. I bought the car with 9/12 SOH bars showing. When it hits 8/12 bars is when Nissan will look at and address the issue. One thing that indicates a software issue in my mind is this issue with the 30 kWh Leaf batteries are being reported on Leafs built in the USA (TN) but not ones built in the UK with the same size battery.

Usage and how they are charged can be a huge factor in the life and performance of lithium ion batteries. It is not a settled science because the technology changes all of the time. Tesla cars use several different types of batteries for example and changes can occur mid model year. Leaf got the 'lizard" technology being phased in in 2013 but did not make it the stated standard until the 2015 model year. This is one reason the 2015 year is popular. While some S trim 2016's got the 24 kWh battery some of the late 2016's actually got the 30 kWh batteries like the 2016 SV and SL models got started on 2016. All 2017 Leafs got the 30 kWh batteries. Gen 2 Leafs came with either the 40 kWh or 62 kWh batteries.

As you can see from the above there is a heck of lots of differences in Nissan Leaf and Tesla batteries that are currently in a state of flux.

Currently I am testing performance in miles and voltage of each of the 96 cells before I go for the software upgrade. In fact I do not know if it has or not has been upgraded yet.

Yes 20 years from now EV's will have fewer unknowns I expect but someone has adopt the early technology to get to better EV technology by trial and error. It is my guess the future EV's will not be lithium ion or hydrogen powered.
 
   / Battery based electric vehicles of today and tomorrow. #270  
I see the EV's of today being more like the ICE's of the 1920's. A 100 years later the ICE power plant has evolved a lot but still dumps 80 gallons of gas by products into our living environment for every 100 gallons we put into the gas tank. This is in your face and up your nose local pollution that is starting to bother me in a physical way. If this could be functionally address the car makers would have done so long ago instead of saying they are stopping development of ICE's.

Hydrogen fuel cell usage to power EV's can become a common place by 2050 I expect but there are many Cons besides pollution to be conquered over the next 30 years if this happens by 2050 it would seem.
12 Hydrogen Fuel Cells Pros and Cons Vittana.org

Today the development of batteries for EV's continue in most all countries and universities around the world. Solid state batteries could prevent hydrogen fuel cell usage ever going main stream in EV's.
The Inventor of the Lithium-Ion Battery Invents an Even Better One

Today's lithium ion technology is not without issues in performance and environmental impacts. My 2016 Nissan Leaf SV is showing a 35% degradation mileage wise at 21K miles so instead of a 107 travel range it is down to more like 70 miles like the former 24 kWh battery pack instead of the 30 kWh battery pack that I have. There is a software update that many owners say that reversed the perceived degradation and gave them back the full 107 mile range and made the state of Battery Health Meter (SOH) read 100% again. I bought the car with 9/12 SOH bars showing. When it hits 8/12 bars is when Nissan will look at and address the issue. One thing that indicates a software issue in my mind is this issue with the 30 kWh Leaf batteries are being reported on Leafs built in the USA (TN) but not ones built in the UK with the same size battery.

Usage and how they are charged can be a huge factor in the life and performance of lithium ion batteries. It is not a settled science because the technology changes all of the time. Tesla cars use several different types of batteries for example and changes can occur mid model year. Leaf got the 'lizard" technology being phased in in 2013 but did not make it the stated standard until the 2015 model year. This is one reason the 2015 year is popular. While some S trim 2016's got the 24 kWh battery some of the late 2016's actually got the 30 kWh batteries like the 2016 SV and SL models got started on 2016. All 2017 Leafs got the 30 kWh batteries. Gen 2 Leafs came with either the 40 kWh or 62 kWh batteries.

As you can see from the above there is a heck of lots of differences in Nissan Leaf and Tesla batteries that are currently in a state of flux.

Currently I am testing performance in miles and voltage of each of the 96 cells before I go for the software upgrade. In fact I do not know if it has or not has been upgraded yet.

Yes 20 years from now EV's will have fewer unknowns I expect but someone has adopt the early technology to get to better EV technology by trial and error. It is my guess the future EV's will not be lithium ion or hydrogen powered.
You can post all the hypotheses there is on the subject but it does not deter from the fact that if costs are relative a self sustained energy source will win out over one that has to be recharged every time...there is no argument...costs are the crux of the issue not necessarily just the technology.
 
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