Battery based electric vehicles of today and tomorrow.

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If Tesla had to price their vehicles high enough to make a profit without making hundreds of millions of dollars on carbon credits each year, would they still sell as many vehicles? Are the "big 3" the ones buying the carbon credits? In the future as the "big 3" and others bring up their overall fleet mpg they will need to purchase less and less carbon credits. How will that effect Tesla?
Is not carbon credits or MPG. CARB states require "clean vehicle" credits to sell certain vehicles. Other states do not. Tesla does not discriminate against buyers in states such as Alabama where they get no credits for a sale.

Any manufacturer can earn credits, only have to build to spec. Subaru builds everything to PZEV (partial zero emission vehicle) qualification so as to require fewer clean vehicle credits. Not hybrid or anything, but apparently meets the requirement over and above EPA minimum. Flex Fuel capable also lowers the credits needed to sell.

If you do not want to have to buy clean vehicle credits all you have to do is 1) build compliant vehicles for CARB states, or 2) quit selling new vehicles in CARB states. That Tesla collects revenue from other vehicle makers is totally at the control of those manufacturers.
 
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Is not carbon credits or MPG. CARB states require "clean vehicle" credits to sell certain vehicles. Other states do not. Tesla does not discriminate against buyers in states such as Alabama where they get no credits for a sale.

Any manufacturer can earn credits, only have to build to spec. Subaru builds everything to PZEV (partial zero emission vehicle) qualification so as to require fewer clean vehicle credits. Not hybrid or anything, but apparently meets the requirement over and above EPA minimum. Flex Fuel capable also lowers the credits needed to sell.

If you do not want to have to buy clean vehicle credits all you have to do is 1) build compliant vehicles for CARB states, or 2) quit selling new vehicles in CARB states. That Tesla collects revenue from other vehicle makers is totally at the control of those manufacturers.

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If Tesla had to price their vehicles high enough to make a profit without making hundreds of millions of dollars on carbon credits each year, would they still sell as many vehicles? Are the "big 3" the ones buying the carbon credits? In the future as the "big 3" and others bring up their overall fleet mpg they will need to purchase less and less carbon credits. How will that effect Tesla?
Do you realize you are posting fake news about Tesla?
 
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Car and Driver?
Who are the EV makers selling EVs at a net profit today in your view building 3 new EV only factories on fresh dirt in 3 years?
 
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Who are the EV makers selling EVs at a net profit today in your view building 3 new EV only factories on fresh dirt in 3 years?
Answering a question with a question, I see. I'll go back to my original post. This is a serious question. I have a small position in Ford and am following most automakers.

If Tesla had to price their vehicles high enough to make a profit without making hundreds of millions of dollars on carbon credits each year, would they still sell as many vehicles? Are the "big 3" the ones buying the carbon credits? In the future as the "big 3" and others bring up their overall fleet mpg they will need to purchase less and less carbon credits. How will that effect Tesla?
 
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