Battery based vehicles of today and tomorrow pt 2

[wawajake]

I live in an igloo in Canada, we ice fish for nourishment, with rocks for dessert, we may have dirt floors if I scrape away the snow ......but worst of all we live under a Liberal Government regime that is taxing us to the poor house, with carbon taxes and sales taxes and gas taxes and road taxes etc and is the most woke Government in western world......do I win ? Or lose / win ?

 

[MossRoad]

Time for a good old fashioned poor off. Who's got dirt floors?

You can afford floors?

 

[Gale Hawkins]

Going green: Nel Hydrogen to build in Michigan, work with GM

The green hydrogen company Nel announced plans Wednesday to build a massive new plant in Michigan as it works with General Motors to drive down the cost of hydr

upnorthlive.com

It seems the manufacturers that didn't quite make it out of the gate early when it came to EV batteries are really betting on hydrogen..

 

[bnold]

The world doesn't revolve around your Texas ! Now I see from your previous posts you don't seem to lean on the Enviro side of the EV narrative, but if you are I am quite confident my C02 footprint is way way less than yours, I don't fly ten times a year, ( Last time for me was 10 yrs ago) I live with household income half yours and only 2 licensed vehicles , youngest is 2016. As for me having statistics , mine are from this posting thread from EV owners here, I guess they don't prove the narrative you want , but they are even repeated randomly by many respected Car Magazine websites, so if the 80 % charge reccomended , or the 25 to 30percent cold weather loss, and the roughly 10% battery left reccomended to require charge are wrong prove it .

I wish the world revolved around Texas in lieu of DC or California.

The CO2 narrative doesn’t mean much to me either. To say I don’t care about pollution would be incorrect, I am a fan of most sources of electricity over coal/lignite. Luckily those are dying in Texas with NG, Wind, Solar and Nuclear carrying the majority of production.

Texas doesn’t have the coldest of cold, but I have data of the efficiency losses on 15-20*F days that don’t come near 25-30% losses. Perhaps ‘cold’ is too relative for an argument. Maybe 25-30% is realistic for below -10*F, that I don’t have data for. My cold is below 40*F!

90% charge ceiling is recommended by Tesla, but they don’t discourage 100% when needed. A minimum isn’t published. (Std range M3 with Lithium Ion Phosphate recommends 100% charge). Tesla doesn’t penalize the 120,000 mile warranty should you chose to charge to 100% every day if you’d like.

My previous truck I owned for 10yrs old and 230k miles, I generally run a bunch of miles on vehicles before swapping. Up until the end of 2021, I had a 10yo truck and 7yo SUV for the wife. Both since replaced, but we don’t buy new vehicles on the regular.

Maybe your narrative fits for some EV vehicles and I only have personal, real experience with Tesla. But the numbers you provided don’t fit my reality. So I countered.

 

[Grumpycat]

Lots of EV statistics don't make sense.
If the Y performance has 456 hp and a 200# driver this is the 1/4 mile time.
Even the 1,020 hp plaid at 9.90 e.t.?
From Electric Car Faq. (Pro-EV): "The model Y has a 74-kilowatt hour battery which is equivalent to about 2.2 gallons of gasoline, and actual energy potential. You can see just how efficient the model Y is compared to your average gas-burning vehicle."
So 2.2 gallons gasoline in a 35 m.p.g. car = 77 miles!
Pair = 14.6 kW = 19.5HP. Speeding at 80 mph takes nearly twice as much power: Pair = 36HP which = 26,845.2 watts.
Something doesn't add up!?!
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That is what happens when intellectuals who haven't actually had their feet held to fire "think" about what is best for us.

Engineers will do that math to get a first order approximation, but it takes an intellectual to double down and insist the analysis is bulletproof. The engineer builds it then measures the real results so as to have a better understanding of the math for future revisions.

Such intellectuals have brought us 1) Socialism, 2) Climate Change alarmism, 3) Ethanol, and many other foolish mistakes. The claim is the analysis is correct, the data is incorrect.

 

[Grumpycat]

And energy mining rare earth metals used used to turn crude to gas. Energy to build truck and tanker fleets to only dump refined fuels back into the ground and waste electricity needed charge EVs to pump it out of the ground one last time before driving fumes into the atmosphere while you fill the tank then take no effort to recycle the initial crude pumped out of ground then shipped half way a round the world.

Don't worry about it, all that is accumulated in the final dollar price to consumer of the resource.

Intellectuals in High Towers theorizing about solutions never get the math right.

 

[wawajake]

Hmmmm supposed EV tide seems to have stalled . Growing number of people won't buy EVs: J.D. Power

 

[txdon]

Are EVs allowed on ferries in your area?

"...only vehicles with internal combustion engines are to be allowed on board."

World Today News

www.world-today-news.com/

www.world-today-news.com

I saw this mentioned in the comments section of the JD power's link in the post above.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

Never thought of it that way. When Tesla's annual build rate hits 2,000,000 soon a thought that shaves fifty cents off the cost of each car that's a million dollar idea.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

https://www.businessinsider.com/aut...ts-supply-chain-constraints-car-buyers-2023-5

This makes a cool experiment. We have some shutting in production and we have others that are ramping up production so 5 or 10 years from now we can see the results and decide which was the best option a long-term.