BaumaLight PTO Generator

[markpaul2929]

Hey just wondering if anybody has any opinions on the baumalight pto generators? they seem to use a smaller hp tractor to give you higher kw.

Thanks

 

[Sawyer Rob]

There's no way to change the math, no matter what they say...

SR

 

[4570Man]

There's no way to change the math, no matter what they say...

SR

You can increase the efficiency a little bit, but besides that fluffed up ratings are the only way.

 

[Dave M7040]

Hey just wondering if anybody has any opinions on the baumalight pto generators? they seem to use a smaller hp tractor to give you higher kw.

Thanks

It is misleading. Look at small gas generators. They prominently display starting power which it will deliver for a second or so and then in smaller print the actual load it will carry. The higher number is just the machine's inertia carrying the short sudden power required to start some electrical motors.

My advice to those needing emergency power is not to run up hours on a valuable diesel tractor engine when a cheap gas engine generator unit will be far more cost effective..
If storing gasoline and keeping it fresh is your concern Google "Propane snorkel kit". The kit allows your engine to run on propane, natural gas or gasoline
Propane and Natural Gas Generator Conversion Kits - Motor Snorkel
If you bought a new generator, never put gasoline in it and ran it on propane, you would never have a stale fuel issue.

Dave M7040

 

[4570Man]

Diesels will run nearly forever, but hours kill resale. If you don’t ever plan to sell the tractor hook up the PTO generator and don’t lose any sleep. If you do plan on selling it than I might look for other options. Has anyone done run times on a 20 pound bottle vs 5 gallons of gas?

 

[Sawyer Rob]

I guess this is a new generation of tractor buyers...

I've never bought a tractor and then worried about how much it got used... Isn't the object of buying a tractor in the first place, is to use it?? OR is it to impress your neighbors??

I make a good decision in what tractor brand to buy and then I USE IT, as that's why I bought it! IF you are worried about using yours, perhaps you should have made a better decision on what brand tractor to buy...

Running a pto generator is absolutely a "no big deal" for me or my tractor!

SR

 

[markpaul2929]

I guess this is a new generation of tractor buyers...

I've never bought a tractor and then worried about how much it got used... Isn't the object of buying a tractor in the first place, is to use it?? OR is it to impress your neighbors??

I make a good decision in what tractor brand to buy and then I USE IT, as that's why I bought it! IF you are worried about using yours, perhaps you should have made a better decision on what brand tractor to buy...

Running a pto generator is absolutely a "no big deal" for me or my tractor!

SR

I agree with you. Any equipment i have bought, i have pushed it to the limits. Adding hours on a tractor never crossed my mind and never will. As long as you maintain your equipment, hours don't mean too much.

 

[Dave M7040]

I agree with you. Any equipment i have bought, i have pushed it to the limits. Adding hours on a tractor never crossed my mind and never will. As long as you maintain your equipment, hours don't mean too much.

I am not looking to argue and my post wont deserve a response.....at least I hope no one feels a need to respond.

My post is only to alert tractor owners to a condition that can develop under certain operating situations
In my years on this and the orange forum, many owners experience the condition called diesel slobber.

I wont describe it here as there is lots of on line info.

Diesel's, as a rule, do not tolerate low load high rpm situations as the seal between the piston rings and the cylinder bore degrade.

If you have a diesel genset sized for an application by an expert, then that diesel is going to be running close to 70-80% all the time.

Few homes, have much of an electrical load unless you have electric heating or very large AC.

Its is your machine so clearly your decision.

Dave M7040

 

[Sawyer Rob]

So, the fact that we rake hay (very easy load on the tractor) at 1100 to 1200 rpm's for hours and hours at a time with 50, 60 hp tractors will causing wet stacking??

SR

 

[4570Man]

I agree with you. Any equipment i have bought, i have pushed it to the limits. Adding hours on a tractor never crossed my mind and never will. As long as you maintain your equipment, hours don't mean too much.

Agreed, but they do reduce the value on newer tractors. And it’s pretty hard to plow the driveway and run the pto generator at the same time.

 

[Dave M7040]

So, the fact that we rake hay (very easy load on the tractor) at 1100 to 1200 rpm's for hours and hours at a time with 50, 60 hp tractors will causing wet stacking??

SR

Believe it or not, it is your tractor receiving this treatment.

Myself, I am inclined to listen to the stories from other posters and from serious research papers.

One post comes to mind. The owner was noticing lots of oil laden smoke from his low hours (1,000) tractor with FEL.

He could see the condition getting worse. Most of this tractor's use consisted of moving light material with the FEL.

Quite by chance, he loaned his tractor to a neighbor farmer who used it plowing heavy ground.

When the tractor owner got his machine back after days of hard work he could not believe the improvement that had occurred with his tractor.

I have belonged to this Cat forum which deals with large stationary diesel gensets, often powering island communities, large ships electrical needs, hospital emergency power.

Caterpillar - Home - Online Community

Below is a pargraph from their site:
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Underloading Diesel Generator Sets



Generally speaking, standby- and prime-rated diesel generator sets are designed to operate between 50 and 85 percent load, while continuous-rated diesel generator sets optimize between 70 and 100 percent load. Operating diesel generator sets at loads less than 30 percent for extended periods can impact uptime and engine life.



The most prevalent consequence of underloading is exhaust manifold slobber, or wet stacking, which is the black oily liquid that can leak from the exhaust joints when the engine does not reach minimum temperatures and pressures. Visible engine slobber doesn’t necessarily indicate a problem, but it signals possible underloading concerns, low ambient temperatures or jacket water temperatures that are too low. Additionally, long periods of light loading can lead to deposit build-up behind the piston rings or inside the cylinders, which can cause power loss, poor performance, accelerated wear and in extreme cases, cylinder liner polishing.

Dave M7040

 

[Sawyer Rob]

Believe it or not, it is your tractor receiving this treatment.

Myself, I am inclined to listen to the stories from other posters and from serious research papers.

One post comes to mind. The owner was noticing lots of oil laden smoke from his low hours (1,000) tractor with FEL.

He could see the condition getting worse. Most of this tractor's use consisted of moving light material with the FEL.

Quite by chance, he loaned his tractor to a neighbor farmer who used it plowing heavy ground.

When the tractor owner got his machine back after days of hard work he could not believe the improvement that had occurred with his tractor.

I have belonged to this Cat forum which deals with large stationary diesel gensets, often powering island communities, large ships electrical needs, hospital emergency power.

Caterpillar - Home - Online Community

I've seen old CATS slobber, owned one... I've seen old deere's slobber too...

What I want to know is, how many modern tractors do you see slobbering from light loads??

We rake with a CIH JX95, and JX65... Also with Agco Allis 4650, 4660, 5660, also Deutz 30-06 and before that Deutz 6206 and 40-06 and NONE of them have ever slobbered! nada, not one bit!

I've also run my pto gen set with a light load and nada again...

IF you think just because old or huge lightly loaded diesels slobbered then that means all diesels do it, then you are waaay off base, as I just gave you a pretty good range of sizes and brands to prove other wise...

BTW, I'll put one of my old hay raking diesels on a dino to prove they aren't wore out any time you want to pay for it to prove me wrong. IF I'm wrong I'll gladly pay YOU double the tab and your expenses...

I call that a friendly wager... lol

SR

 

[Dave M7040]

The Cat engines referred to are the most modern diesels in the world, however, how can I argue against such a wealth of knowledge as yours?

I will leave this thread to your capable hands. And the word is Dyno not Dino.

Dave M7040

 

[markpaul2929]

Believe it or not, it is your tractor receiving this treatment.

Myself, I am inclined to listen to the stories from other posters and from serious research papers.

One post comes to mind. The owner was noticing lots of oil laden smoke from his low hours (1,000) tractor with FEL.

He could see the condition getting worse. Most of this tractor's use consisted of moving light material with the FEL.

Quite by chance, he loaned his tractor to a neighbor farmer who used it plowing heavy ground.

When the tractor owner got his machine back after days of hard work he could not believe the improvement that had occurred with his tractor.

I have belonged to this Cat forum which deals with large stationary diesel gensets, often powering island communities, large ships electrical needs, hospital emergency power.

Caterpillar - Home - Online Community

Below is a pargraph from their site:
.
Underloading Diesel Generator Sets



Generally speaking, standby- and prime-rated diesel generator sets are designed to operate between 50 and 85 percent load, while continuous-rated diesel generator sets optimize between 70 and 100 percent load. Operating diesel generator sets at loads less than 30 percent for extended periods can impact uptime and engine life.



The most prevalent consequence of underloading is exhaust manifold slobber, or wet stacking, which is the black oily liquid that can leak from the exhaust joints when the engine does not reach minimum temperatures and pressures. Visible engine slobber doesn’t necessarily indicate a problem, but it signals possible underloading concerns, low ambient temperatures or jacket water temperatures that are too low. Additionally, long periods of light loading can lead to deposit build-up behind the piston rings or inside the cylinders, which can cause power loss, poor performance, accelerated wear and in extreme cases, cylinder liner polishing.

Dave M7040

If the power goes out, and i am using the genset, it is going to be working at 65% minimum all the time and may even hit 90% if i have to use everything. Its not for the house but the farm.

 

[Sawyer Rob]

The Cat engines referred to are the most modern diesels in the world, however, how can I argue against such a wealth of knowledge as yours?

I will leave this thread to your capable hands. And the word is Dyno not Dino.

Dave M7040

They are also HUGE, that's a big difference between them and smaller diesels...

Now Dave, when you don't have good facts to stand on, you don't need to get personal and rude... Just get better facts that back your argument.

I gave you a list of tractors and what we have been doing, now you want to get personal because I told the truth??

I bet you REALLY don't like it, that we don't use ANY fuel additives either, and never once have we had gelling. It MUST be magic!

BTW, I like "dino", just like the guy on here that spells Kubota "Kabota" all the time. lol

SR

 

[MountainLodge8]

Will running a light load for extended periods of time cause havoc on the DPF filter of a new machine?

 

[3Lfarms]

Will running a light load for extended periods of time cause havoc on the DPF filter of a new machine?

I think that depends on your definition of light load. Do you mean low RPM, or running at PTO speed with no load?
In my very modest experience with my new tier 4 60hp machine, it hasn’t mattered. It regenerates every 50 hours regardless.
The first 40 hours from new it was operated at low RPM and almost no load while testing fitting and moving implements and some light dirt work. After that, I changed the oil and filters, and went to the farm and started working the pastures over for seeding.

 

[MountainLodge8]

I think that depends on your definition of light load. Do you mean low RPM, or running at PTO speed with no load?
In my very modest experience with my new tier 4 60hp machine, it hasn’t mattered. It regenerates every 50 hours regardless.
The first 40 hours from new it was operated at low RPM and almost no load while testing fitting and moving implements and some light dirt work. After that, I changed the oil and filters, and went to the farm and started working the pastures over for seeding.

I meant at pto speed with no load, but it sounds like thing will be ok?