Berco vs Kioti

[nards444]

Thanks for the information thus far. Let me clarify. I have a Simplicity Pro Series 32 right now walk behind, that I will get rid of to get the tractor blower. Getting a tractor with heated cab as well specifically for this purpose of snow removal. So not getting another walk behind blower or basically trading apples to apples, and definnitely not adding more machines.

As for the front blower. Whats funny is the Deere and Kubota front blowers are like 3800-4k, theyre back blowers are about 1500 cheaper, so its odd that Kiotis front blowers are so pricey. Think their rear blowers are still in the 4k range, which any rear blower would I guess.

Its not a long driveway I know, but here we get feet of snow and straight at your face snow, Im done walking or being outside doing it. Another issue with a rear mount and cab is the chute movement. Another consideration is a front mount berco isnt much more than a brand new rear mount of any brand at 4800.

After all said and done Im looking for a front mount, just trying to purchase the most cost effective machine to do it.

 

[CobyRupert]

I have a Berco 44" (700211-2), two stage snowblower for the front of my garden tractor, a Deere LX280.
That's a little different category of what your looking at, but have found the Berco to be a well made, THOUGHT OUT, product.

When I purchased it, Deere was only offering a single stage, and I wanted no part of it having a Cub Cadet single stage previously. This blower throws snow 15x farther.
Two independent, easily accessible sheer bolts. One for auger, one for fan.
The subframe attachment is a breeze.
Then you literally drive up to the snowblower and it slides right on into it's connection, back away, connect belt, done.
The hardest part is making sure you connect the belt so that snowblower doesn't turn backwards (-If you did, would it pull the snow out of the air and put a layer on your driveway if you're driving backwards? ) Anyways...
It even has a handle, so you put the belt on tractor loosely, pull handle to tension, done.
IMHO, a good company, good products.
:2cents:

p.s. I think Berco (Bercomac) are Canadian made. I wonder how (or if) tariffs on them , or tariffs on others, are effecting the pricing you're getting.

 

[leonz]

I did not see your posting earlier.

All the front mounts are expensive due to the underframe mounting system, midpoint to front PTO Shaft and the reverser-being gear driven or a chain drive.

It may be well worth your while to look at a kubota 1870 or an older 1860 with a new front mount snow blower and a non factory cab.
My fathers next door neighbor had an older 1860 with a high output alternator with a Curtis cabin and front and rear work lights and
a kubota front mount 2 stage snow blower.
She had a kubota heater/defroster in it that was piped into the cooling system on the left side and it had a high velocity fan to defrost the
cabin windows and to provide heat. It was not air tight but she loved using it in the winter as she did not need a heavy coat while clearing snow.
The cabin also had a front window wiper as well to keep the snow off. In the summer months she removed the doors and left the main
part of the cabin in place to mow.

Any front mount snow blower will need a hydraulic lift system in the subframe and a loader valve to operate the chute and spout with
a cabin.

A rear mount will also need hydraulic chute and spout control as a rear window that can be opened and closed may interfere with a
rotary crank and possibly break the window when its elevated UNLESS the crank is shortened and if it is shortened you may not be
able to reach it if the rear window cannot be opened very far.

I believe the simplicity galaxy line of lawn tractors have a four wheel drive option with a loader but I am not sure what type or brand of of cabin they can have on them.

I have not looked at them for along time but the smaller Massey Ferguson(Isekie) sub compacts may be something to look at as well.

The people that make the cabs for these things make a lot of models for many tractors and a factory mounted cab will cost more to purchase and may not be air tight.

 

[nards444]

I did not see your posting earlier.

All the front mounts are expensive due to the underframe mounting system, midpoint to front PTO Shaft and the reverser-being gear driven or a chain drive.

It may be well worth your while to look at a kubota 1870 or an older 1860 with a new front mount snow blower and a non factory cab.
My fathers next door neighbor had an older 1860 with a high output alternator with a Curtis cabin and front and rear work lights and
a kubota front mount 2 stage snow blower.
She had a kubota heater/defroster in it that was piped into the cooling system on the left side and it had a high velocity fan to defrost the
cabin windows and to provide heat. It was not air tight but she loved using it in the winter as she did not need a heavy coat while clearing snow.
The cabin also had a front window wiper as well to keep the snow off. In the summer months she removed the doors and left the main
part of the cabin in place to mow.

Any front mount snow blower will need a hydraulic lift system in the subframe and a loader valve to operate the chute and spout with
a cabin.

A rear mount will also need hydraulic chute and spout control as a rear window that can be opened and closed may interfere with a
rotary crank and possibly break the window when its elevated UNLESS the crank is shortened and if it is shortened you may not be
able to reach it if the rear window cannot be opened very far.

I believe the simplicity galaxy line of lawn tractors have a four wheel drive option with a loader but I am not sure what type or brand of of cabin they can have on them.

I have not looked at them for along time but the smaller Massey Ferguson(Isekie) sub compacts may be something to look at as well.

The people that make the cabs for these things make a lot of models for many tractors and a factory mounted cab will cost more to purchase and may not be air tight.

Ive ran all the traps. By the time I found a used tractor and added a cab or an implement that I wanted I was basically in brand new pricing territory unless I wanted something older as in 10 years or more even then by the time I found one with cab, FEL and front blower or added one of those components, again the price just isnt cost effective.

End of the day I know I am getting a Kioti, question is the smartest blower to buy. Kioti wants 6600, Berco Wants 4800, I open to any ideas just on the blower that is cheaper than a Kioti branded one.

 

[paulfun9]

Thanks for the information thus far. Let me clarify. I have a Simplicity Pro Series 32 right now walk behind, that I will get rid of to get the tractor blower. Getting a tractor with heated cab as well specifically for this purpose of snow removal. So not getting another walk behind blower or basically trading apples to apples, and definnitely not adding more machines.

As for the front blower. Whats funny is the Deere and Kubota front blowers are like 3800-4k, theyre back blowers are about 1500 cheaper, so its odd that Kiotis front blowers are so pricey. Think their rear blowers are still in the 4k range, which any rear blower would I guess.

Its not a long driveway I know, but here we get feet of snow and straight at your face snow, Im done walking or being outside doing it. Another issue with a rear mount and cab is the chute movement. Another consideration is a front mount berco isnt much more than a brand new rear mount of any brand at 4800.

After all said and done Im looking for a front mount, just trying to purchase the most cost effective machine to do it.[/QUOTE

I haven’t shopped rear blowers for a few years but think the prices you are stating are way high!
Might want to shop around a bit

 

[RickB]

Kioti builds tractors. Last I knew they outsourced implements without regard to building long term relationships with OEMs that lead to affordable one stop shopping for parts and service at the Kioti dealership. If I were going to buy a Kioti tractor the attachments I chose would be brands that build machines and have their own dealer support networks.

 

[murphy1244]

Kioti builds tractors. Last I knew they outsourced implements without regard to building long term relationships with OEMs that lead to affordable one stop shopping for parts and service at the Kioti dealership. If I were going to buy a Kioti tractor the attachments I chose would be brands that build machines and have their own dealer support networks.

Kioti partners with woods now

 

[RickB]

Kioti partners with woods now

True. And when that ends whoever has Kioti branded Woods implements better know what Woods model crosses to his model and where a Woods dealer is. I left a Kioti dealer just as the Woods deal started. The so called support Kioti offered for their prior model finish mowers and even to a degree backhoes was nothing short of pathetic.

 

[nards444]

Thanks for the information thus far. Let me clarify. I have a Simplicity Pro Series 32 right now walk behind, that I will get rid of to get the tractor blower. Getting a tractor with heated cab as well specifically for this purpose of snow removal. So not getting another walk behind blower or basically trading apples to apples, and definnitely not adding more machines.

As for the front blower. Whats funny is the Deere and Kubota front blowers are like 3800-4k, theyre back blowers are about 1500 cheaper, so its odd that Kiotis front blowers are so pricey. Think their rear blowers are still in the 4k range, which any rear blower would I guess.

Its not a long driveway I know, but here we get feet of snow and straight at your face snow, Im done walking or being outside doing it. Another issue with a rear mount and cab is the chute movement. Another consideration is a front mount berco isnt much more than a brand new rear mount of any brand at 4800.

After all said and done Im looking for a front mount, just trying to purchase the most cost effective machine to do it.[/QUOTE

I haven’t shopped rear blowers for a few years but think the prices you are stating are way high!
Might want to shop around a bit

rear blowers are all of 2500 or more from everything I have seen.

 

[murphy1244]

True. And when that ends whoever has Kioti branded Woods implements better know what Woods model crosses to his model and where a Woods dealer is. I left a Kioti dealer just as the Woods deal started. The so called support Kioti offered for their prior model finish mowers and even to a degree backhoes was nothing short of pathetic.

A little pissed about being dropped by Kioti??