Berco vs Kioti

   / Berco vs Kioti #21  
A little pissed about being dropped by Kioti??

Trying for a pissing contest?

Why are you asking about his feelings and making this personal?

He simply seems to be stating that Kioti will drop their support of what they sell (being able to obtain parts, etc..) when their relationship with the third party supplier ends.
This is based on his experience.
Knowing what your implement's real manufacturer's make/model number is seems like good advice when it's temporarily being sold as a rebranded item.
 
   / Berco vs Kioti #22  
A little pissed about being dropped by Kioti??

The dealership was not dropped by Kioti. I moved 700 miles and figured a new job was in order.
But that is exactly how rebranding relationships can work. I have seen it countless times in 24 years in the industry.
 
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   / Berco vs Kioti #23  
Trying for a pissing contest?

Why are you asking about his feelings and making this personal?

He simply seems to be stating that Kioti will drop their support of what they sell (being able to obtain parts, etc..) when their relationship with the third party supplier ends.
This is based on his experience.
Knowing what your implement's real manufacturer's make/model number is seems like good advice when it's temporarily being sold as a rebranded item.
That is just Murf being himself. He cant help it.
 
   / Berco vs Kioti #24  
I dont mean to hijack, however I read these forums a lot and I have a question.

I'm from FL so I have zero experience with snow.

For a 250 ft drive, why choose a blower over a blade?

Is there nowhere to push the snow, or do the sides end up building too high over time that prevents being able to push?

Just preference?

Some other reason?

Again, I'm just curious.....
 
   / Berco vs Kioti #25  
I dont mean to hijack, however I read these forums a lot and I have a question.
I'm from FL so I have zero experience with snow.
For a 250 ft drive, why choose a blower over a blade?
Is there nowhere to push the snow, or do the sides end up building too high over time that prevents being able to push?
Just preference?
Some other reason?
Again, I'm just curious.....

There's a lot of factors.....but not having snowbanks that build up over time, or being able to direct where the snow goes independent of travel (push) direction are probably the biggest factors in getting a blower. Especially in tight spaces (around cars, buildings, etc..) where maneuvering gets tricky.

Everybody's situation is different.

Blades are typically, but not always, wider than most blowers and one can quickly cover a lot of ground. Especially in straight ahead road clearing, where one isn't turning around or backing up a lot. But you have to be able to push snow far enough away on the first storm of the season to allow snow banks for the rest of winter's storms. This may mean pushing it off driveways, and across grass (i.e. ripping up the grass) to allow room. Is that a problem? -Sometimes yes, sometime no.

Pushing snow require a vehicle with enough weight and traction (and power) to push the snow ("Thank you Captain Obvious!"). Remember, angling the blade means you just have more snow to push on your next path. Example: You want a 6' wide path, but you need to push it to the side 12' to leave room for future storms, so you have to push the first 6' to the side, to make a spot for your desired 6' pass coming off the plow, then have to push that another 6' to the side to be at your snow bank location. That's 3 passes versus 1 with a snowblower. Now imagine if its a 20' wide path. However, if it's a light (not deep) snow where you can just keep "doubling up" each pass and still have power and traction to push it, that's a lot quicker.

Whereas, a snowblower (and the thing propelling it) only needs enough weight and traction to move itself, and uses engine power independently (of traction) to move the snow. Example: With my little 18hp, 600lb riding mower/snowblower I can continuously drive through and blow a foot of snow to 30' away. With a blade on same tractor I could go about 3' before too much snow piled up & I ran out of traction.

Snowblowers (and their shear pins) don't like rocks or any other items found in their path; plows don't care, they'll just rip through them, like your lawn when you wander off the driveway, unless they're really frozen.
 
   / Berco vs Kioti #26  
There's a lot of factors.....but not having snowbanks that build up over time, or being able to direct where the snow goes independent of travel (push) direction are probably the biggest factors in getting a blower. Especially in tight spaces (around cars, buildings, etc..) where maneuvering gets tricky.

Everybody's situation is different.

Blades are typically, but not always, wider than most blowers and one can quickly cover a lot of ground. But you have to be able to push snow far enough away on the first storm of the season to allow snow banks for the rest of winter's storms. This may mean pushing it off driveways, and across grass (i.e. ripping up the grass) to allow room. Is that a problem? -Sometimes yes, sometime no.

Pushing snow require a vehicle with enough weight and traction (and power) to push the snow (Well that seems obvious!). Remember, angling the blade means you just have more snow to push on your next path. Example: You want a 6' wide path, but you need to push it to the side 12' to leave room for future storms, so you have to push the first 6' to the side, to make a spot for your desired 6' pass coming off the plow, then have to push that another 6' to the side to be at your snow banks. That's 3 passes versus 1 with a snowblower. Now imagine if its a 20' wide path. However, if it's a light (not deep) snow where you can just keep "doubling up" each pass and still have power and traction to push it, that's a lot quicker.

Whereas, a snowblower (and the thing propelling it) only needs enough weight and traction to move itself, and uses engine power independently (of traction) to move the snow. Example: With my little 18hp, 600lb riding mower/snowblower I can continuously drive through and blow a foot of snow to 30' away. With a blade I could go about 3' before too much snow piled up & I ran out of traction.

Snowblowers (and there shear pins don't like rocks); plows don't care, they'll just rip them up, like your lawn when you wander off the driveway.
Thank you for all that information. It is much clearer now.

I did not even think about the fact of the snow being pushed into your next row thus creating more and more to push.

Whereas the blower completely removes the snow from your path and deposits it off the area you are working.

Again thank you for the insight!
 
   / Berco vs Kioti
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#27  
I dont mean to hijack, however I read these forums a lot and I have a question.

I'm from FL so I have zero experience with snow.

For a 250 ft drive, why choose a blower over a blade?

Is there nowhere to push the snow, or do the sides end up building too high over time that prevents being able to push?

Just preference?

Some other reason?

Again, I'm just curious.....

Snow blowers are much more efficient method to remove snow for most situations specially for driveways. Also in upstate NY we get 150in of snow a year, so it can really build up on the banks. Lastly a blad ultimately means destroying your grass at some point. I know there is some personal preference but typcally on a driveways you will have to move the same snow 3-4 times depending on your driveway. Which does mean more wear on tear on the driveway. With a blower hop on make 3-4 passes and its over with and out of the way for the year. blades are cheaper to buy and a commercial setting or road setting can be more efficient because of the speed you can go,
 
   / Berco vs Kioti #28  
I know its your money but I do not think you will be able to save any real money on buying a
2 stage unit UNLESS it is used.

A new 5 foot pronovost lynx 2 stage may be an option for you or a 4 footer with added wings.
The rear mount Lynx is the less expensive pronovost snow blower for the home owner.
The rear mount Allied Farm King snow blower may be a good option as well.

As I said before there are a lot of members that do longer and wider lanes with a BX subcompact
and a rear mount whre some of them have a piece of plexiglass attached to the ROPS to keep the
snow off them while they work.
They wear insulated coveralls like I do and a snowmobile helmet or good winter snow hats and they
use the amber skiing goggles to protect their eyes while working in the daylight clearing snow.

A soft cab with a kubota heater could be an option for you but you would have to compare the price
between hard cab and a soft cab. The soft cab will come off completely inthe spring so you have a
much better field of view in the other 6 months of the year while using it.

I would talk to someone at whites farm supply about a rear mount Lynx snow blower before the snow season gets any closer.
Art may be able to provide you with a good package price that would be worth considering in the scheme of things.
 
 

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