Berta Two Stage Snow Blower Auger gear box oil change

   / Berta Two Stage Snow Blower Auger gear box oil change #11  
I used to--and still think that no drain plug is a bad idea for maintenance minded people. I can modify that opinion now since I have discovered the Harbor Freight suction gun (see post #7) with small diameter tubing. I two recent applications I have drawn out the equivalent of what was the fill capacity is.
The trouble I envision with this, real or perceived, is that a drain plug allows any solid particulates (metal filings) to be swept out with the fluid, when draining a gear box or oil pan. But by using suction, it seems more likely a large part of any such solid particulates will remain in the bottom of the gear box.

But I've also never griped about draining a snowblower gearbox. Stand the thing up on it's front end, like I describe on page 1 of this thread, and pull the plug! That fill plug is a drain plug, depending on which way you tilt the implement.
 
   / Berta Two Stage Snow Blower Auger gear box oil change #12  
Hi ;)

From time to time I like to read a little on the homepage from Earth Tools, and to see what new information Joel has to offer. Recently I visited this page of his:

2-Stage Snowblowers - Earth Tools

I got my Berta 2-stage snowblower in 2011, and at the time Berta offered it with the skids only, as far as I know. This hasn’t been a problem when working with the snowblower since, but it has made it difficult to move the approx. 155 lbs heavy implement around in the garage when needed :(

I also watched Joels video on the features and set-up of the Berta snowblower. I noticed straightaway, that the snowblower in the video had an integrated male quick-coupling tang like the one my Berta flail mower has (y)

As I got my BCS 740 in 2011, I wasn’t aware that there was such a thing as a quick-coupling available, so my snowblower came with the standard flange, which fits the tractor without a quick-coupling, as seen on this picture:

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As I later got more implements, I also got a female quick-coupling bushing for the tractor, and a male tang for each of my implement. This of course made it much easier to switch quickly between different implements, but it also put all my implements further from the tractor, by around 73 mm (2⅞’’). This might not look like much, but it increases the wheelbase and makes it harder to turn and lift the implement. I found this to be especially annoying when using the snowblower.

As I added a Berta flail mower to my collection in 2020, I therefore got it with the integrated male quick-coupling tang straightaway. This turned out to be a very good idea, as the flail mower sits very close to the tractor this way, and it makes maneuvering and turning very easy (y)

So, based on the above, I decided to contact my dealer, to see if he could get a set of wheels and a new coupling for my Berta snowblower.

The wheels/rollers are 70 mm (2¾’’) in diameter, and the same in length, and are made with an inner metal part containing roller bearings, and an outer layer of hard polyurethane. To swap the skids for the wheels, is literally a matter of a few minutes work, and can be done leaving the stands on the snowblower. Just remember to put the wheels on the inside of the stand, as they otherwise will stick out wider than the snowblower! :ROFLMAO:

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Removing the old flange was easy, but this also revealed, that swapping the shaft wasn’t going to be that easy :cry:

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On the above picture with the snowblower lying on the auger, the shaft on the left protrudes from the snowblower, and the end of the shaft with the 3-jaw claw has already been removed. This was no easy task, as the original shaft was fixed with a bolt through the hole near the top. The new shorter shaft on the right, is made to be connected to the shaft with a keyed joint, and not with a bolt like the old one. This is a problem of course, as the shaft on the left does not have keyway that will except a key :cry:

Luckily for me, my neighbor has worked in a metal shop all his life, and he fixed the shaft with 3 Allen key set screws (y)

This is of course not an ideal solution, as the keyed joint is missing, and this joint was supposed to transfer the torque in the shaft. I will have to see how things turns out when winter comes, and hope for the best. My guess is, that Berta some time since 2011 and now, perhaps has changed the way the parts are connected in the PTO-shaft, from a bolt to a key joint.

The point of all of this was to get the snowblower closer to the tractor. With the old original flange on its own, there were 105 mm (4⅛’’) between tractor and the snowblower, which was acceptable. With a quick-coupling added to that, the snowblower got 178 mm (7’’) away from the tractor, as that was too much, I think.

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Now, as seen on the photo above, the new flange with the integrated male tang is only 64 mm (2 ½’’). With the 61 mm (2 ⅜’’) female quick-coupling on the tractor, the snowblower is now only 125 mm (5’’) from the tractor (y)

It is probably hard to justify the costs and the hours spent to gain just 2’’, but I hope that the snowblower will be easier to work with from now on, and that perhaps some members having similar ideas, can use this information. Based on my experience with 5 different front-PTO implements, I can highly recommend to get implements with a factory build-in quick-coupling tang, as it puts the implement as close to the tractor as possible. The Berta company clearly offers this service, so perhaps others do as well? My 2 Zanon mowers sadly have no integrated quick-coupling tangs, but it could be interesting to hear if they are available.

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As one would expect when ordering parts from Berta, they don’t come cheap! This was no exception, and here is what I had to pay:

One pair of wheels was 163.50 Euro ($189.12). The flange and the shaft was 361.50 Euro ($418.15). With shipping and 19 % sales tax on top, my total bill was 654.50 Euro ($757.07) 😖


Best regards

Jens
 
   / Berta Two Stage Snow Blower Auger gear box oil change #13  
Hi ;)

As mentioned in my previous post, the PTO-shaft that came with the quick-coupling flange from Berta, sadly didn’t fit my snowblower. My Berta dealer then contacted Berta in Italy, and as I expected, Berta had sadly changed the layout of the shaft from a bolt joint to a key-joint. As can be seen on the photo below, the change happened from the 2011 model to the 2012 model:

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The bolted flange in the upper right corner, came with the bolt joint shaft, marked „shaft until 2012“. The quick-coupling flange, which has been available since 2012, only comes with the key-joint shaft, as shown below the flange. Customers who have ordered the bolted flange since 2012, have also received the key-joint shaft, shown in the lower right corner of the photo.

In early August, I was mailing my Berta dealer to ask if a quick-coupling was available for my 2011 model snowblower, and he mailed my request to Berta in Italy. Although my mail contained a photo of the nameplate, this information got lost somewhere, and I sadly ended up with parts that didn’t fit :cry:

This is what happens when humans are involved, and sadly it has given my dealer and I a lot of extra work, and a lot of shipping back and forth. I’m now bach to my original setup from 2011 with the bolted flange, and I can work with that.

The lesson to learn for other owners of a Berta snowblower, is that if you have a snowblower from model year 2011 or older, you sadly can’t get a quick-coupling. Members with a snowblower model year 2012 or younger, can easily change if needed, as the PTO-shaft fit their key-joint shaft. As the 2 PTO-shafts have different length though, you will need the shaft the fits the quick-coupling!


Best regards

Jens
 
   / Berta Two Stage Snow Blower Auger gear box oil change #14  
The trouble I envision with this, real or perceived, is that a drain plug allows any solid particulates (metal filings) to be swept out with the fluid, when draining a gear box or oil pan. But by using suction, it seems more likely a large part of any such solid particulates will remain in the bottom of the gear box.

But I've also never griped about draining a snowblower gearbox. Stand the thing up on it's front end, like I describe on page 1 of this thread, and pull the plug! That fill plug is a drain plug, depending on which way you tilt the implement.
Very good point. I always found I could take the gear box on a snowblower off in a couple of minutes so still do that at times. OCD and hard to shake.

What would you think about a magnetic fill plug? The old oil is really sloshing around in there so would likely stick to a magnet on the side of the case? Of note is that I've never found anything in a snowblower gearbox. They don't get used all that much.
 

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