Best Home Defense Rifle?

[MossRoad]

If guns kill people, then Oprah's fork made her fat.

I almost wrecked.

Hahaahahaaa!!! Good one!

My wife and I took the day off to do our annual Christmas shopping today. Half way trough the day and 3/4 of the way through my paycheck we saw a bumper sticker that read:

Driver Carries No Money
(he's married)

 

[MossRoad]

Tell us more.

Will I have been flaged?

How do I find out?

You use the freedom of information act to find out if they have a file on you. Of course, if they didn't... they do now!

 

[Eagleview]

from the tone of your comment(s).. I'd say that you probably -would not- want to confront me.. as you sound hostile.. unprovoked hostility in america can 'trigger' self defense ... i'm not afraid to use a weapon that I am also not afraid to leaglly carry on my person, for lawful self defense purposes.

soundguy

You are exactly the kind of guy that should not be allowed to run around with a concealed weapon . Someone walks towards you with a cranky look on their face , for whatever reason and you would not hesitate to fill them and anyone else in the line of fire with lead . "But officer , i feared for my life" .

As ive said several times in this thread , i see nothing wrong with having a weapon/weapons at home for self defense . It's the carrying of concealed weapons in public that scares me . How does Joe public determine who is a bad guy and who is not when they get a glimpse of a Colt hanging out of your belt . For eg. A "good guy" walks into a fuel station , the consol operator spots his gun as he's reaching for his wallet , BOOM , consol operator sees a threat and unloads both barrels into "good guy" .

For public record , i apologise to all for typing whilst still angry after seeing previous posts .

 

[Soundguy]

You use the freedom of information act to find out if they have a file on you. Of course, if they didn't... they do now!

Buy a class 3 weapon.. and then -know- that they have a file on you!

soundguy

 

[Soundguy]

You are exactly the kind of guy that should not be allowed to run around with a concealed weapon . Someone walks towards you with a cranky look on their face , for whatever reason and you would not hesitate to fill them and anyone else in the line of fire with lead . "But officer , i feared for my life" .

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You must be having a dream or something.. No where in any of my messages have you or will you ever find me saying that I would use a firearm against a person for anything other than lawfull self defense.


Your fictional fantasy story of shooting somone with a gruff look is a product of your own imagination.

Besides.. as a subject of some far away country with no gun rights.. you are in no position to judge my legal capability to carry a self defense firearm in my country where i have rights.

everywhere law abiding citizens have their guns taken away.. crime goes up... data supports this.

It's obvious that you are not comfortable with others carrying guns.. you have said so, verbatum, in a previous message in this thread. I don't think it's a stretch to infer that you would also not like to carry.. that's a great personal decision... just apply it to yourself and let everyone else govern their own rights as they may be. Remember.. your rights stop where my nose begins...

You may want to calm down. you seem to be taking this personally? Making comments that nearly amount to threats of violence.. then bragging about your prowess in bar fights.. then postulating about other peoples personal rights that really have no bearing on you at all??

If the legal ability to carry a concealed weapon like a sidearm makes you feel uneasy.. then I bet that the fact that dependng on where you live, we as US citizens can own machine guns... well.. I bet that must be a tough one to digest as well...

Are there any of our other rights that also bother you that you would wish to discuss?

Notice that i have tried not to specifically criticize your governments laws and your rights..( or your choice not to carry ) I am glad I don't live under their jurisdiction.. but your rights.. or lack therof have no real bearing on how I live my life. other than to make me very happy i live in a place that preserves my rights.

You accuse me of talking down to you.. yet your posts are the ones being condescending to me judging my suitability to exercise my rights based on.. well.. fantasy in the case of your last comment about shooting someone with a bad look on their face for no reason... I'm still puzzled by that one...

any way... thanks for the conversation.. i'm now happeir than ever about where i live.. this discussion has made me think about those rights I cherish.. and how pretty much anywhere else in the world.. many of them wouldn't exist. I'm gonna go enjoy myself and watch some tv and look at my guns... maybee you should go out to have a beer and mayby if you have time... beat up somebody?

Alright.. now see. that was a cheap shot out of context... I'm assuming you're a good guy and wouldn't beat up anybody for no reason. Just like those of us that carry conceled legally.. wouldn't opt to use our weapon(s) illegally.

If conversation about gun rights gets under your skin.. lets change the topic and move on. arguing is pointless.

soundguy

 

[Eagleview]

Wow , that was a long post . I was'nt bragging about beating up loudmouths in pubs . I was infering that they are all noise and no go and i thought a couple of you guys were the same . I was hoping your actions would not echo your words if it came down to it . I swear this will be the last time i talk about your gun rights .

 

[LMTC]

Wow , that was a long post . I was'nt bragging about beating up loudmouths in pubs . I was infering that they are all noise and no go and i thought a couple of you guys were the same . I was hoping your actions would not echo your words if it came down to it . I swear this will be the last time i talk about your gun rights .

You weren't inferring anything. When you infer, you draw conclusions. Perhaps you mean you were implying, but then again, you'd still be wrong. Implying means to suggest by coincidence or to express indirectly. Following is a direct quote from your post.

"When i'm being monstered by loudmouths in a pub , i always put the biggest on their backs first as they are just noise and no guts ."

So what exactly does "put the biggest on their backs first" mean where you live? Reads like a pretty direct statement of direct physical action to me.

I've read this entire thread as it has been written, and frankly you scare me more than anyone else who has posted. I have no doubt I could disagree with any of these guys, even in an uncivil manner, even call them really bad names so long as no physical threat is indicated, and they're not going to shoot me. They might tell me to get lost, probably wouldn't be my friend if I talked to them in a nasty manner, but there's not one whose post I've read who I believe would shoot me for anything short of threatening physical harm, or behaving as if I was going to harm them (yes, I would shoot someone who came running at me with a knife BEFORE he cut me...if possible).

And to stay on topic, I believe the best home defense rifle in most cases to be a shotgun too. And yes, I have looked down the wrong end of a barrel; it is something you never forget. I will not willingly let it happen again.

 

[Egon]

I'm scared of the 98# weakling who keeps quiet!

 

[Skyco]

How does Joe public determine who is a bad guy and who is not when they get a glimpse of a Colt hanging out of your belt . For eg. A "good guy" walks into a fuel station , the consol operator spots his gun as he's reaching for his wallet , BOOM , consol operator sees a threat and unloads both barrels into "good guy" .

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The following applies to SC and NC, and I presume- much of the USA-

Being "detected" isn't a problem if the CCW holder is being prudent. Your weapon must remain concealed at ALL TIMES unless you plan on using it. Letting your weapon show or even "print" through your clothing is really bad form, a problem, and even a chargeable offense in many jurisdictions. I have a CCW but don't carry as much as I should for just this reason, it IS difficult to remain undetected particularly in the summer with light clothing.

Bottom line if a CCW holder is acting properly you'd never know he was carrying.

 

[Sigarms]

The following applies to SC and NC, and I presume- much of the USA-

Being "detected" isn't a problem if the CCW holder is being prudent. Your weapon must remain concealed at ALL TIMES unless you plan on using it.

Keep in mind, in NC "open carry" is legal (technically NC is a "anomalous open carry state" which means open carry is leagal, but the state may lack preemption or there may be other significant restrictions). I'm not a lawyer, nor do I open carry, so I don't follow the open carry laws. Bottom line though, this means IMO (and I could be wrong) that if you pass the legal rquirements set forth by the local county sheriff to obtain a handgun permit (which only allows you to buy a handgun, not carry it concealed), you have the right to carry the sidearm on your person in plain view of others (I also assume, perhaps incorrectly, that you are not allowed to open carry where sidearms are prohibited by NC state law).

I mention this only because your comment can be construed as it being illegal to actually have the sidearm on ones person in plain view in NC (seems that SC does not allow open carry, I could be wrong).

A decent source of information for each indivdual state, just click onto the state in questio...

http://opencarry.org/opencarry.html

Another decent site for state reciprocity (which state reconizes other states permits, again, just click onto the state)...

http://www.nraila.org/recmap/usrecmap.aspx

Needless to say, quoting an internet site to a law enforcement official may not get you very far What still has me perplexed is Vermont. They are one of the most liberal states allowing gun rights, but the state is VERY liberal pertaining to everything else as well (makes California look conservative at times when I spend time up there).

That said, you'd be surprised on the amount of LEO's who don't know their own state conceal carry/open carry laws. I was once informed by a state trooper in Utah that my .44 was illegal to be carried with a round "ready to fire" in the revolver, as well as a semi auto handgun being illegal to carry with a round in the chamber. Needless to say, I sincerely thought he was incorrect, but it was actually a nice conversation due to a speeding ticket, (26 in a 25 and it was a rental vehicle) and I was not going to argue. Note, I did have an out of state permit that was reconized by the state of Utah.

What's interesting is (and I've gone through the process in three different counties in NC before I applied for my CC permit), is that each county sheriff's office has different procedures/paperwork/requirements to obtain a handgun permit (makes no sense to me). At the time before I obtained my CC permit, you were able to obtain a total of three handgun permits on one application. All that said, the NC law had been changed some years ago so that if you have a conceal carry permit, you don't need a handgun permit to purchase a handgun, and can buy a handgun the same day as long as you can produce your conceal carry permit.

Personally, what would be nice, is if there was one "national standard" that was accepted by all 50 states, so any type of handgun licence would be reconized in all 50 states (driving is a privilege, not a "right", yet your drivers license is reconized in each state to allow you to operate your vehicle).