Best Way To Remove This Tree

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Obed said:
...However, as soon as I removed the force of the bucket on the tree, the tree fell right over beside the road instead of into the road.

Kinda odd that the tree would fall in the direction of the push once you stopped pushing.:confused:

By the way, this is a very useful set of photos. Let's see if Eddie comments on your technique.
 
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Notice that the tree is not lying completely on the ground yet. The guide roots on each side of the tree are still holding. Thus I took a few bites on the remaining roots on each side of the tree. The tree laid flat on the ground once these roots were cut.
 

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Here's the prize! After cutting the roots on each side I then cleaned as much dirt of the root ball with the backhoe.
 

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I hooked a chain around the tree and dragged it off to my stump dump. Then I filled in the whole with the FEL. You can't tell a tree was ever there!
 

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IslandTractor said:
Kinda odd that the tree would fall in the direction of the push once you stopped pushing.:confused:

By the way, this is a very useful set of photos. Let's see if Eddie comments on your technique.

Yes I'm hoping to get Eddie's comments.
 
   / Best Way To Remove This Tree #66  
Obed said:
Yes I'm hoping to get Eddie's comments.
Obed, since that tree did not behave as you thought it would, I'm real glad it did not injur you or your property.

Taking down trees, whether with a machine, a saw, a back hoe, a FEL, requires multiple plans all derived around safety as the first priority. If you do something in the process of taking down a tree and get a surprise, it is probably because something wrong was done or not enough planning took place. While there may be some exceptions, they are not the rule if you plan accordingly.

Professional timbermen's job is rated in the top 5 most dangerous for a reason. These guys usually know what they are doing but get injured or killed when they've overlooked something. Rarely is it because of a surprise or an uncalculated happenstance.

Tree's are nothing to **** with. Take each and everyone that needs attention with the utmost respect and thought.

Sorry ta preach ... just that this thread did not have the tone I like to associate with the activity.

Glad to hear everything went ok.
 
   / Best Way To Remove This Tree #67  
Congrats Obed!!

Thanks for the kind words and finding that picture of me taking out that tree. I actually looked for something like that in my photo's to show you, but forgot all about that being there in that thread. You must have spent some time here looking up those old threads!!!!! hahaha

You did a fantastic job taking pictures of your project, and how you did it. You picked a good, safe, easy tree to start out with and gained some first hand experience. This thread should be the one everyone goes to when they want to take out thier first tree with a backhoe. For no other reason, than to see your pictures.

I have a few comments, but nothing critical.

When you positioned youreself to start digging, you could have put the backhoe centered on the tree. There is no real advantage to diging the trenches perfectly square. I dig mine more like a "V" from one position.

Though you didn't need to, it will really help with bigger trees to use the teeth of your bucket to cut under the root ball as much as you can reach. Especially on the side that it's going to fall. You just chip away or rub away as much dirt as you can get. If you can still get dirt in your bucket, you should keep removing it. Only when you can't get any more dirt should you stop. This will really help on the larger trees. As you know, small trees don't realy need too much, they go over nice and easy.

When you change directions, I bet you had that feeling that the tree would fall down on you? I did the first time and it's not a very comfortable feeling. But that tree isn't going anyplace, as you know. In fact, I bet you were suprised at how solid it was even after you dug those trenches???

When you push it over, sometimes the distance you are from it will make a difference, and as you learned, also where on the tree you push makes a difference. If you can't get it to go over, and this will happen with bigger trees, then you will have to dig trenches on either side of the tree. Again, I dig them from one location in the shape of a "V"

You don't have to go as deep in most cases and after I cut through the surface roots, I try to push again. If it still doesnt' go, get as close to the tree as you can, and try to undercut the root ball with the teeth of your bucket. You will have to dig under the root ball and then along the sides back towards yourself. With really big trees with massive tap roots, this means taking out ALLOT of dirt. I don't advise this with our machine, but wanted you to know what to expect in the worse cases.

When you push the tree, you can also turn it with your hoe stick. I don't know how much power you have going from side to side, but it doesn't take allot when the tree is starting to lean over.

As you found out, once it gets so far over, the weight of the tree does the work.

Another thing to try is to roll the root ball with the bucket by lifting on the oposite side you want it to go and roll the entire tree over.

There are all sorts of little things that you'll pick up on and do that just come from knowing your machine and doing it a few times. From what I saw in the pictures and your comments, I believe you to be a very competent operator that has a very good understanding of what to do and how to take out trees.

One big bonus that I'm sure you, and everyone eles who's been following this thread must have noticed, is how easily you got that root ball out. If you had cut the tree down with the chainsaw, you would still have to dig up the root ball, and it would have been twice the work without the tree still attached to it. Bigger hole, more time and effort, then more work to fill the much larger hole back up again. This way you got it down in one easy step.

Thank you for taking the time to post those pictures and your comments,
Eddie
 
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DAP said:
Obed, since that tree did not behave as you thought it would, I'm real glad it did not injur you or your property.

Are you talking about the part when the tree layed down nice and easy beside the road and not on the road? I'd hardly call this something to be worried about. The tree went where he wanted it to, when he wanted it to on his very first try.

How many of you can do that with a chainsaw? Ropes and cables will help, but even then, the tree will land close to where you want it, not exactly. In time he should be able to get it even better and put it exacly where he wants it.

Again, cutting trees down with a chainsaw, even pros who have been doing so for decades, is unpredictable and dangerous. Using the backhoe gives the operator contorl over what the tree does and when it happens. I'm not saying it's one hundred percent, but I am saying it's much, much safer than the chain saw.

What more could you possible hope for? He missed his mark by a few feet. I'm calling that a home run with bases loaded!!!!!

Eddie
 
   / Best Way To Remove This Tree #69  
EddieWalker said:
I've heard all sorts of stories of injury or damage from a tree that's cut down with a chainsaw. The best and most experienced people with a chainsaw will all have stories of close calls, injuries or of those who died from cutting down a tree this way.
Good luck,
Eddie


Eddie, You hear more stories about close calls with a chainsaw than closecalls with a BH due to there being about 100 million chainsaws in the USA and less than 1 million BH's. (pure guess on the numbers, but it makes the point.) Also, the average BH operator has a skill level that is higher than the average chainsaw operator's skill level with the saw.

So naturally, you are going to have more incidents with saws coming to light than you are with BH's.

Personally, I would cut the tree down then trim the stump flush and leave it. The tree would be either boards, lathe turning stock or firewood.

I really do hope that you turned that beautiful tree from the picture into boards and not ashes ...

jb
 
   / Best Way To Remove This Tree #70  
EddieWalker said:
Are you talking about the part when the tree layed down nice and easy beside the road and not on the road? I'd hardly call this something to be worried about. The tree went where he wanted it to, when he wanted it to on his very first try.

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What more could you possible hope for? He missed his mark by a few feet. I'm calling that a home run with bases loaded!!!!!

Eddie
ummm Mr. Walker .. all due respect....

I wanted the tree to fall in the road, not beside it. Thus I decided to stop pushing and reposition the tractor a little to get a slightly different angle. However, as soon as I removed the force of the bucket on the tree, the tree fell right over beside the road instead of into the road.

In fact, this did not go at all like the operator had hoped, planned for or counted on. I'll say he even was lucky he was not seriously hurt given what he claims actually happened.

Using a backhoe, things happen real fast and you are encumbered by your relationship to the machine, which will either kill you or protect you if it is properly enclosed. Up here in Maine, all the logging machines have cages - for good reason.

With a chain saw, you can control events and slow things down to safer proportions. I don't want to start a p****ing contest over what is better or what is not, but I'm not sure this poster got the best advise.

Peace
 

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