Black Angus beef ( opinions please)

cowboydoc · Feb 17, 2006

"I had a red Bull that came from a baldy bull and baldy cow that were pure at least a couple of generations back Black Angus/Hereford. Doesn't really mean much just thought I would stick it in"

If you're talking about grade cattle absolutely 100% does not matter squat. But when you're talking about registered cattle it means all the difference in the world. This is where the red angus are not that strong. There are alot of holes in their registries. You absolutely do not have those holes in the black angus. They are constantly dna tested. You know if you have any holes. And I guarantee you if you're buying semen from a specific bull you dang sure expect to have the semen from that specific bull. It can make the difference of thousands of dollars when it comes time to sell them if that bull or his brother's name is on the papers.

And remember I'm talking about certified registered cattle. Grade cattle heck no it doesn't make any difference. But the registered cattle it makes alot of difference. And I am telling you the restaurants, especially like what Rox is talking about, WILL NOT even talk to you unless you have 100% documented evidence of your cattle.

ronjhall · Feb 17, 2006

We will run them into a chute, tranquilize them, and then collect them by placing small shocks in strategic places. It really is painless. 
Gee's, you took all the fun out of it.

cowboydoc · Feb 17, 2006

Gee's, you took all the fun out of it. 

Ever try and get a 2500 lb. bull to mount a dummy cow and then be "smart" enough to get underneath of him, grab hold of his jewel with an artificial ****** and let him hammer away at you until his deed is done? /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif Well it's about as much fun as sticking your hand in the rectum feeling for the sweet spot and giving a little shock here and there while your partner holds the jewel to collect the semen in a container. /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif All the while hoping you don't get crapped all over or your head or leg kicked off.

ronjhall · Feb 17, 2006

Nope. You got my attention. /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif I like your original way better. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

rox · Feb 17, 2006

ronjhall,
Thanks for the link, but on the other hand, YUCK!
You were wise to simply provide a link, that was the best way to handle my question. I got my answer, and then some!

Of couse Cowboydoc does it a different way, but his description was clear enough without getting into to many detaisl so that i understood.

kensfarm · Feb 17, 2006

Are you sure you're reading the same stuff as me..

The lost linage was only in America..

"The first Aberdeen Angus herdbook, published in 1862 in Scotland, entered both reds and blacks without distinction. This practice is continued in Britain today, as is the case throughout most of the world."

"Eric L.C. Pentecost, the noted English breeder of Red Angus cattle, offers a specific and logical explanation for the introduction of the red coloration into the Aberdeen Angus breed. In the eighteenth century, the black Scottish cattle were too light to provide sufficiently large draught oxen, so larger English longhorns, predominantly red in color, were brought in and crossed with the black native polled breed. The resultant offspring were all black polled animals, since black is a dominant color, and red a recessive one. However, all carried the red gene. Subsequent interbreeding produced an average of one red calf in four, in accordance with Mendel’s law of heredity."

"But to say that the breed compares to that of the black angus is ludicrous."

" In Canada, where red and black Angus cattle are registered together (which is the case in most countries), the number of red cattle registered is approximately the same as the black strain."

So no.. it's not ludicrous.. it's scientific fact.. they are the same breed. The red angus born from the black angus herd is genetically the same except the red recessive gene became dominant for the calf born.

rox · Feb 17, 2006

cowboydoc,
Not to put to fine a point on it but you wrote, "grab hold of his jewel"

I think you mixed up your singular and plural, shouldn't it be "Jewels" plural. /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif

No wait ---don't answer that!!! Soon we will all get kicked off of TBN. I'm not going to say anything more on this topic, other than a repeat, YUCK!

cowboydoc · Feb 17, 2006

/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif Rox no I meant singular. Yes probably should have used another word. You don't grab the jewels you are thinking of. You grab the singular jewel. ROFL /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Egon · Feb 17, 2006

Was that "Kobe Beef" from Japan Rox?

A Really Good steak is hard to find.

Egon /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

cowboydoc · Feb 17, 2006

Ken,

Do you raise registered cattle? The reason I ask is because this is not secret information in the purebred industry. The Red Angus Associations knows that they holes in their registries. And to their credit they are doing a good job of bringing more control into it. If you are a serious breeder then you are just baiting me because you already know this. If you aren't I'm trying to get you to see that the papers and genetics are only as strong as the evidence to back it up. OBJECTIVE, DNA proven genetics is what makes the registered world go around.

GENETICS IS NOT JUST GENETICS. The English breeding is NOT what we have here that was originally registered. Some of it yes but most of it was guessed at or made up from the day they started back registering them. You don't know if that original registry cow was purebred or not.

So no.. it's not ludicrous.. it's scientific fact.. they are the same breed. The red angus born from the black angus herd is genetically the same except the red recessive gene became dominant for the calf born. 

NO THEY ARE NOT THE SAME GENETICALLY. You only know this IF AND ONLY IF they were registered from DNA registered stock. If you don't have the DNA results to show that you have that lineage you don't know what you have. You could have hereford, limousine, corriente, or any other mixed breed in there and still look like a purebred angus. The only way you know for sure is your DNA typing.