I hear ya Bird, I had two Cub garden tractor's that I used to cut yards and plow snow with. Both were 18hp Kohlar units, with hydros. I really liked the tractors and they never let me down. The Mitsubishi larger series are nice, just no leg or body room for a larger person. I liked the beef on the tractors and the people that I know that own them really like them. Scaper