boompole

[RWB]

Being the new kid on the block and reading all the safety information I think I have a crazy question to ask. /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif If tractors seem to flip back easy..... then how would you use a boomploe?? I want to move some Items and I see some rated quite high in pounds. Why wouldn't the tractor tip over using these poles. Now remember I'm reaaaaaaaaaaaally green. /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif Please be gentle.

Ray

 

[Henro]

If you try to lift too much on the back, or if you put something heavy on your 3ph, it can cause the front wheels to get light and maybe even lift of the ground worst case.

My boom pole is rated for something like 500 lbs. Not an issue at least when my loader is on.

If your tractor were stopped and you tried to lift something really heavy and the front wheels came off the ground, the load would only lift them up until either the 3ph reached it travel limit, or you stopped lifting. You would not back flip like you might if you were improperly pulling something that was tied on higher than the axle center...

A similar thing happens when you use a loader without enough rear ballast, and the back wheels come off the ground...

Lifting the back wheels off the ground is more hazardous in my opinion than lifting the front wheels off the ground. as the tractor can pivot sideways on the mid-axle pivot of the front axle, and this will not happen with the rear axle, as there is no center pivot. Think about this...it is an important safety consideration!

Hope this helps...

 

[Inspector507]

I've never used my boom pole with my new tractor yet.......
But I did use it with my 2WD Yanmar alot. I had 800 lbs on it one day, pulled a 1/2" boiler plate wood stove up the basement stairs. I had to put 200 lbs on the front bumper to at least keep my front tires kinda on the ground. Before I put the weight up there........??? Yup I was looking at the clear blue sky /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

 

[RWB]

Thanks Guys,

Yes it does help. I wanted to beable to lift items around the yard but like I said being the new guy on the block needed to understand the ability of the pole.

Thanks


Ray /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif

 

[soarkrebel]

I have a homemade boompole and i will say one thing. be very careful when you try and pull a load with a long chain. if you are at a angle to the load ,as you would be turning ,the tractor can and will tip sideways.
i learned this pulling a downed tree and turning . the outside tire came off the ground and i really thought i was going to flip.
luckly i got my clutch in and it settled back down.
i now use the shortest chain between me and the load.

 

[dmccarty]

RWB,

And whatever you do, DO NOT DRAG ANYTHING with the boom
pole.

I caught my wife's aunt and cousin dragging a large steel fuel
container, 200-300 gallons, one day. She was trying to drag
that thing, thankfully at low RPMS and it got hung up. She
lifted the front tires off the ground and barely had the sense
to put in the clutch before the tractor rolled backwards.

Its an old MF 165 with no ROPS. It would have crushed her in
an instant. I warned them but they lifted just a little more
and dragged it else where.

I have a couple more stories about her. I really don't see how
she has lived as long as she has.

Later,
Dan McCarty

 

[jinman]

About 8 years ago I was building fence with the auger on the back of my Ford Jubilee and I got the "bright " idea of mounting a boompole in the hydraulic lift bed of my Jacobsen Truckster (see photo). It worked great for dragging and lifting one crosstie, but I got overzealous and tried it with two. As soon as I stepped off the 3-wheeler, the back went down and the front tire went skyward. /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif Luckily, all I had to do was "raise" the bed and the front came back to the ground. Sometimes you can "out-clever" yourself. /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

 

[BubbaJr]

I used my boompole to lift my tiller off my flatbed trailer when I first bought it. It didn't lift the front end of the tractor any, but it did exceed the lifting capacity of the valve in the 3PH. It got to the point where it just hissed at me, and wouldn't go any higher. I did have my empty FEL on though. By the way this was with a B2910.

 

[KenNTx]

Used my pole to erect a bird condo...

 

[RonR]

When I tried to lift my box blade (about 300 #s) from my pickup, I had nothing on the rear of my BX. Unknown to me, the chains were different lengths, and I was standing BESIDE the BX--no one was in the seat. The right chain on the bucket came tight, and the left rear wheel started in the AIR.

The other scare I had was pulling a small sailboat backward from one chainhook. Figured it was a light load and could handle it. What I didn't notice was one tire got hung up on a tree root. The boat stopped, the trailer swung to the right, pulling my loader to the left, and the right rear wheel came off the ground. LUCKILY, I was in 2WD, so the differential kicked in and stopped my rearward and upward progress. Had it been in 4WD, I would still have been gaining altitude. After that lesson, when I pull stuff using the loader, I keep it in 2WD unless traction is an absolute issue.

Hope this helps.

Ron

 

[fishstixtwo]

Face it guys, Nothing should ever be pulled from a boompole, thats what drawbars are for. Boom poles are for lifting. Nothing being pulled should ever be attached above the centerline of your tires. For safety sake, the lower the better.

 

[RWB]

I'm glad I asked the question. I se safety is really big for the pole.

Thanks /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

 

[EagleEye]

Ray, this game (not really a game /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif) is alot about weight distribution... and also taking into consideration the weight limits for your tractor and implements (something it looks like you are already aware of). If the back of the tractor is being asked to lift a considerable amount of weight, there needs to be enough weight on the other end to counter balance it.

If you're going to use a boompole, you need to make sure it's within the limits of what your tractor can handle (no amount of counter balance will allow one these little tractors to lift a tractor trailer full of beef -about 40 tons) /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif. On the opposite end of the spectrum... a larger compact (like my NH TC35) can be expected to easily handle a boom pole with a 500 lb limit without any additional counterweight since the front end weighs plenty enough to counterbalance it. Then you have something in the middle where you have a smaller tractor with a heavy duty boom and you know that if you try to lift a half a ton, your front end will not be heavy enough to counter balance it... so, you add weights (perhaps you have a loader and you can lift some stones or you have purchased additional weights for your front bumper.

In any event, the key is knowing what your weight limits are and how to balance them.

 

[EagleEye]

Jinman, BTW, your Golden Jubilee looks sweet... I just sold my 47' 8N in May... I miss it. Wouldn't mind seeing more pictures of that.

 

[RWB]

Thanks EagleEye,
/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gifWhere is Maine. NY? is that up by Plattsburg or over by Watertown?

 

[jinman]

Well, the Jubilee doesn't look that good anymore. As a matter of fact, I have been in a quandry about keeping it because the transmission is making a tick-tick-tick noise and I haven't had time to look into the problem. That tractor has paid for itself many times over, and if I keep it, I'll restore it and just keep it for collector value. There is a style and look to the Old Fords that I don't believe any other tractor has ever achieved. Although, Fergusons and Massey-Fergusons are good-lookers too. Maybe it's the short wheelbase. Hmm...

On your comments about boompoles, I would only add that I think the maximum lift at the end of the pole is around 500 lb and at the mid-lift point about the 750 lb. There are heavier poles, certified for more weight, but if you try to lift a pallet of concrete with one of these lightweight poles, your tractor will go skyward or the pole will collapse into a useless "heap." The heaviest thing I've used mine for is lifting 25' to 30' poles with someone stabilizing one end of the pole. For that, the boompole was ideal.

 

[EagleEye]

Maine, NY is in the west side of Broome County near the Binghamton airport (actually, the airport is in the town of Maine)... which is just north of the Pennsylvania border... I grew up just outside of Albany (Voorheesville).

 

[EagleEye]

Ray, BTW, welcome to the forums....These guys have been a priceless source of good advice and assistance to me. When I had my old Ford 8N, I used to spend a good deal of time on Yesterday's Tractors (another fantastic source for knowledgeable Tractor people) /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

 

[Dutchman]

Re: boom pole

Dan,

You state not to drag anything with a boom pole. I am considering getting one and one of its functions will be to help me move implements around. For example, I now use a chain over the FEL to assist in moving my brush hog, which is almost immovable by hand. I haven't yet gone the route of making attachment dollies as others have here. Since I have never used a boom pole, my question is, is it safe to use it in this manner? I am in a sense dragging the implement but only as it rolls on its back wheel.

Thanks
Dutch

 

[EagleEye]

Re: boom pole

Dutch, don't mean to get ahead of the one you're addressing the question to but consider some of the physics behind this situation... The boom will pull from a level much higher than....let's say a tow bar. When the wheels turn, that torque will always try to lift the front end if it can (ever watch a tractor pull /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif).... if you don't have enough weight on that front end to counter balance that which you are trying to pull from the higher level on the back end, you are going to find your front end popping up.

It's not a safe proposition to pull with a boom pole because you're pulling up high above (pulling downward where the weight and the force of gravity is...forcing the frontend upward) The axle is the pivot point where the torque is going to act like a clock turning clockwise (if you look at it from the side). Down at the tow bar below the axle will put much less lifting power in action on the front end.