Border Collie Owners?

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We had to put down our last two dogs 20 months ago, and have put off the decision on a new dog until now. We had contemplated getting a pup next spring, and had only begun the process of deciding a breed or type. Last pair were great pets, but not as good as we'd like with kids, and since we sell retail where we live, well...we need to remedy that with this selection.

Had reason this weekend to spend some time with a neighbor down the road over other matters, and learned they raise, train, show, and sell Border Collies. I've always wondered why they had 5-6 sheep, but no more....turns out they are solely for working the dogs. Long story short, the wife comes to our house later that day with a 3 month old female border collie, and tells us....their most recent litter of 5 sold for $350 each, they rejected several potential buyers just believing they were not a good match with the breed and she has now gotten so attached to Molly that her primary concern is where the pup goes...and if we want her she will give her to us. Good looking pup, we have had numerous contacts with the sire....he is a very quietly friendly animal. He is also the biggest Border Collie I have ever seen....I asked and she said he is 55#. The pup, a little over 3 months is nearly 20#. Haven't seen the mother, but am told she is 30#.

This dog will stay in the house with us (a first for us), will have several acres on which it can run, will be subjected to a wide variety of people coming and going (looking at tractors). We need for it to be non-aggressive (though we wouldn't mind a warning bark at night, but we don't expect it to defend us) with people and at least not highly agressive with other animals. It will get a fair amount of attention, but we don't want a "needful" dog. Also must be fairly stable/consistent in behavior (a friend had a ****zu that I swear was bipolar---either that or just plain evil).

And let me say while a Border Collie might not have been our first choice, there are advantages this pup brings....1. we know the source, and the pup has been well cared for, 2. parents are healthy, 3. the woman has said they will gladly keep her anytime we need to be gone overnight or even a week or so (they still have 4 or 5 other dogs), and I like that as I hate putting a dog in a kennel.

So----for those who have, or have had, Border Collies, or true first hand experience with them.....please share what you have experienced. Thank you.
 
   / Border Collie Owners? #2  
I had a Border Collie that died last summer at around 14 years old. She was a great family member and my constant companion in the woods as she was the best squirrel dog I've ever seen. She was never a problem with the kids and she would let us know when someone came up the driveway. She was an outside dog and was afraid of thunder until her hearing failed.
 
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Thanks...that's interesting. The way we know the sire is that he is deathly afraid of thunder. No matter how they try to confine him in the barn, if they are away when it storms he will dig/climb out somehow. He has injured himself doing this. We are built on a crawlspace....running to almost 4' high on one end, and he "hides" under our house. He will come out if we call him..apparently thunder is "ok" if people are around. They simply know to come get him here if he is gone when they get home and there was a storm.
 
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Our 140# protective, barky, growling Pyrennes is bothered by thunder. Incredible the small spaces he will hide in to escape it. Our vet said it may have something to do with the pressure changes in the air with thunderstorms. As he has aged a little (2 1/2) he deals with it better now.

The herding border collies I have seen are a high activity dog. You may want to talk to some people your neighbor has sold dogs to as pets to see how they adapt to the easy life. The good breeders do look for the right match as each pup is different.
 
   / Border Collie Owners? #5  
If we didn't already have Labs, we would have Border Collies.

Consider getting a companion for your pup. Until we had two dogs of about the same age, I had never realized how much they are pack animals and are much happier in pairs.
 
   / Border Collie Owners? #6  
Early socialization has a lot to do with how well your dog does around kids, strangers etc. I recommend socializing like crazy for the first few months of the pups life - have everybody that comes to your place handfeed the pup a treat - especially kids.

There is no replacement for genes period - no training, or socialization is going to take away behaviour that is genetic in nature. Nervousness / fear of loud noises / thunder is largely genetic. I have no clue how prone the BC as a breed is to this type reaction to sudden stimuli. Although I would have guessed that being a hardy working breed this would not be an issue for them at all.

I have two dogs - a German Shepherd Dog and Belgian Shepherd. Both are really hardy working dogs and I train them in sport called Schutzhund. Bear in mind that my goals are totally different than yours. For me, a nerve problem, like fear of loud noises etc. is something I would stay away from entirely. Schutzhund puts a lot of psychological pressure on the dog. During one of the heeling exercises in obedience, the judge instructs a bystander to fire off a few gunshots to test the dogs stability. The dog is not meant to be distracted by the gunshots which go off a mere 20 feet away and should continue heeling. In my experience its pretty darn hard to train out a genetic response to this type of stimuli.

Certainly sounds like the breeder is doing his / her part to keep the dogs occupied - with sheep. This is a good sign.

As with tractors.... never rush into a puppy buying decision. Take your time and think it through.
 
   / Border Collie Owners? #7  
Something else to point out.

My belgian is a LOT like a border collie in activity level. Constantly moving - never stops.

The physical energy is one thing... but highly active dogs like BC's, belgians etc. also require mental stimulation.

So definately be prepared to actively go out and do stuff with your dog - whatever it is - walks, frizbee etc.

I absolutely LOVE the really really active dogs like my belgian but she'd be tearing the place apart in a regular 'pet home'. She lives with us in the house as a pet but this can only work because I work her regularly and then some on club days.
 
   / Border Collie Owners? #8  
I have had two border collies in my lifetime. One I had for over 15 years. Best dog we ever had. When she passed away I went looking for another. I was really looking for one from working lines, and I spent $1000 on one that was 9 months old and started in herding sheep. She has a lot of potential to become a champion, but the training and driving to and from just got to be too expensive. I drove 90 miles one way every other weekend for about 6 months until gas became outrageous and I got married. I just couldn't afford to do it anymore. She is a wonderful dog, but she should really be working stock. I hate to not be able to do it anymore, but I can't afford to replace the fencing we have w/ field fence at this point to be able to raise sheep. I have cows on my place, but they are much harder to work a young dog on than the sheep. I would definitely recommend a border collie, but understand they require a lot of entertainment. They shouldn't be penned next to any type of stock because this will make them go crazy. If they do not have anything to do, these dogs can be very destructive. They are not going to bark at all hardly (this is bred out of them intentionally so they will not spook the stock). A border collie that barks is not going to make it in herding, so most of them do not. They are completely safe w/ kids, and they will be very protective of children normally. There have been lots of border collie owners that had to get rid of their dogs because they became a nuisance because they had nothing to do. I would recommend you either get into the herding or do some type of frisbee or ball w/ them regularly.
 
   / Border Collie Owners? #9  
Socialize, Socialize, Socialize!
If you have people comming to your home on business, the last thing you want the dog to do is see them as a threat or something to be feared and perhaps lash out at. The younger you start the dog, the better. This is particularly true with exposure to children as kids will want to go right up and Pet, hug, push, pull, ride the dog and this can be overwhelming to a dog not prepared for a child. If you can get some kids to play with the puppy frequently as it grows, all the better. Take her with you out in public and bring a pocket full of treats. Any stranger that pays attention to your puppy, give them a treat to greet the dog with. The trips out in public also help with getting used to new and unusual noises.

I have a yellow lab that is nearly 3 years old now and she is one of the best dogs with kids I have ever seen. I attribute this to very frequent playing with my grandkids from the first day we brought her home and all the trips out into town as a puppy. My grandson who is 2 has climbed all over her since he could crawl. When he visits, he uses her as a pillow at nap time. We frequently have other young children in the home and that is Sadies favorite time as she loves all the attention(and all the dropped snacks:).

It sounds like your neighbors care about their dogs if they worry over getting the dogs into a suitable home. They sound like the type that would gladly take the dog back and find it a suitable home if things didn't work out with you.

Good luck with your new border collie. I have been around a few, but never had one of my own(we raised Shelties when I was growing up). The ones I have been around have been great.
 
   / Border Collie Owners? #10  
We have 4 dogs 2 GSDs and 2 border collies.
The borders are great dogs but need a job.
We do agility with them.
Never though I would find a dog that I liked as
much as our GSDs but the borders have won me
over.

P.S.
First post -- took dogs to get me out of my lurking!
 
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I understand the "job" part. Both husband and wife have indicated that the dog's "job" can be the owner. They have one female who is a pet rather than a working or show dog. They both work but when they get home this dog follows the wife on a fairly regular routine...esp. at bedtime. As an example, she said if she has brushed her teeth earlier (when the dog wasn't watching) and goes straight to bed, the dog will not go to bed unless she goes back into the bathroom and pretends to brush her teeth. My wife and I are home most of the time, and the woman said she is quite comfortable that if we let the dog follow one of us on certan routines, that will suffice. Not that it will replace exercise (I can toss a mean frisbie), but that it will give the dog the sense of purpose.
 
   / Border Collie Owners? #12  
I grew up with border collies... they were working dogs on the ranch. Everything that has been said above is true.

My opinion... if you can provide some attention and activity to your border collie, then it will be a GREAT dog for you. Border Collies and Labs are my two favorite breeds. The dog will become very attached to family members. I've not known an aggressive/mean border collie. They are EXTREMELY intelligent and can be trained to do many things. The hearding instinct is VERY STRONG. Without training, I have seen them herd chickens, kids, anything that moves.

I would say that obidence training is a must... any dog and owners should have it....

If you throw a frisbe...you have a friend for life with your boder collie... and, the best thing is that you know the breeder, the sire/dam, and they will dog sit for you.

Take the dog... and it'll be the best thing you have ever done!
 
   / Border Collie Owners? #13  
I have a border collie. About 6 yrs old now but, still likes to run the yard.Mine is somewhat aggressive to strangers.I have to watch him when someone comes over . Like others said ,he don't care for thunder much .It drives him crazy.Like woodchuckie said, He's loves squirrels .If a squirrel gets in the yard , the squirrel doesn't have a chance. My son says he saw the dog jump on the fence the other day & nab a bird ! All n all I like the dog & although I didn't train him, He's a good watch dog .Wayne, It may be ok to keep the dog in the house for now, but, as it grows it will need/want running room ! I think you'll be happy with the choice.
 
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I second the call for "socialize, socialize, socialize"

Border collies need a lot of work, you should expect to take an hour a day to play, (throw stick,frizbee, tennis ball) every day.

BC's can be neuroticly intense about things though, and they bond tightly to one person. This can lead to problems around children though. which is why socialization is so important.

Having acres to play in is a good starting point though. but you want to be there to guide and contol and teach your dog, and not let him wander and get into trouble.

My current dog is a BC/ Black lab mix, and the lab part seems to take off enough of the neurotic intensity that BCs can develop. As he was raised around children, and walkes to an elementary school twice a day, he is very good around children and strangers.
 
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We are seriously considering getting a dog and I briefly considered the Border Collie or an Australian shepherd. I didnt realize how 'active' they were until doing extensive reading on the internet. We have decided on something that should be a little less active - a goldendoodle (golden retriever/poodle mix)..

check out this website for some ppls first hand BC experiences..

www.bcrescue.org/bchorror.html

I feel a lot of problems are the owners not the dogs, but it will make you think.. And only you can analyse you situation and decide how much time you are willing to devote to training and exercise/play


good luck

Brian
 
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Oh joy.:rolleyes: Too late....sort of. Molly is here on a trial (meaning the breeder was already attached, and besides offering to take her if we go away, she will take her back if it doesn't work). Our last pair were half Lab, half BC..literally, two breeders had dogs get loose, and Voila! SO, we have some idea....so far it appears she is more neurotic than the half-breeds were. Very loving, but seems to spook pretty easily. Obviously already very capable of learning...very. She has been kenneled at nights for over a month, so we are doing the same. After 4 nights of little sleep, we moved the kennel to the workshop (clean part of the barn, with concrete floor), set it on some foam for insulation and she goes out there at night. Don't know if she is happy, but we got some sleep last night. Get her out and bring her back in the house when we get up...she gets out to play by herself 2-3 x a day for 30 minutes, and at least once with one of us for 20-30 minutes of frisbee or tennis ball. She usually quits and lays down after ten minutes or so. We were told both her parents are quite capable of being in the house and remaining relatively inactive (for a BC), although the sire is a working animal used for training...but his activity is mainly on the weekends. During the week they said he is ok with being a house mutt. We'll see....
 
   / Border Collie Owners? #17  
No one mention sheding of hair all the time if in the house you will never get al the hair picked up. All of the info that people has shared is a fact I have had 3 and learn my lesson they need work, high engery, will heard grandkids and very loveable oh yes the same is true for a Aussie shed more hair than one could ever imagine, much engery and will love you 24/7.
I have found there is no perfect dog just like no perfect human so research and go with what you think is logical and or with your heart. I hope you find a good match.
 
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I've never posted pics on bynet before, so if this takes you to something other than pics of a BC pup, well..........they're in the photos section under pets titled Molly, Molly 2, etc.

PICS
 
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we had a border collie, **** good dog. He lived 17 years. He was kept outside earily in life and when he as 6 or so we moved him inside at nights. Never had trouble with thunder till he was 6, then he got scared of it. Smart dogs, he could tell just by the way I looked at him what I wanted him to do.
 

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