Breaking Up Dog Hold

[CurlyDave]

never could figure out why anyone wanted a pittbull or the like,,of all the dogs out there to choose from,,why make trouble for yourself,,,about all breeds can get mean and be dangeous,,,but to have one whos breeding makes it that way,,thingy

thingy, you have hit the nail right on the head.

Some people might not want to hear this, but I have the same feelings.

I want a dog I can trust with children, guests and neighbor's dogs. I don't need to fight with them about their dog coming over & fighting with my dog, I want a dog that will get along with other ones.

This is why I have Labs.

Most of the fighting dogs I have known are owned by either drug dealers or insecure people...

 

[Kendall69]

Its not cruel,think thats what some think

...would make him yelp on medium setting

If you define “yelp” as a dog being electrocuted, and “not cruel” as in at least your not pulling the dogs nails out or putting his testicles in a vice, then sure you betcha it not cruel.

It’s about as not cruel as someone being tazed.

So here’s a smart gentleman that also thinks the collar is “ not cruel” , after his demo, I think he changed his mind also.

Guy Tests Out A Dog Shock Collar Video

 

[dooleysm]

Shock collars certainly have a time and a place. They work wonders on my beagles, but I can't speak for any other breed.

As far as the cruelty issue, that's something you'll have to decide on your own. If my beagles take off after a deer there's little chance I'm getting them back alive if they don't have shock collars on. Beagles are hard headed when they are on a track. Deer will run for miles, which around here means crossing roads. Beagles will follow deer for miles, crossing roads and all the risks that entails. Even if they don't get his, a tired beagle miles from home is at risk from a variety of other things...starvation, coyotes, other dogs, 2 legged predators, and who knows what else.

As with anything else, get all the information you can and make an informed decision.

 

[Unregistered2013]

Shock collars certainly have a time and a place. They work wonders on my beagles, but I can't speak for any other breed.

As far as the cruelty issue, that's something you'll have to decide on your own. If my beagles take off after a deer there's little chance I'm getting them back alive if they don't have shock collars on. Beagles are hard headed when they are on a track. Deer will run for miles, which around here means crossing roads. Beagles will follow deer for miles, crossing roads and all the risks that entails. Even if they don't get his, a tired beagle miles from home is at risk from a variety of other things...starvation, coyotes, other dogs, 2 legged predators, and who knows what else.

As with anything else, get all the information you can and make an informed decision.

is this during hunting season, you're talking?

 

[SLOBuds]

We were spoiled by the gentle shephard. I suppose we were also lucky to get that one first and learn some about dog behaviors. So we went into the relationship knowing that, essentially, ALL dogs need to be watched and managed. The Shephard needs to be watched less. The Shar-Pei needs to be watched more.

Sort of like those guys who messed with those white tigers. They claimed that these tigers were their family. Or the nut who thought he was 'at one' with the bears. Unless you don't value your life at all, you MUST know that mother nature always trumps. I think that all animals including our domestics need a good amount of respect and they need to know we are the bosses, not the other way around.

We take both the Shepherd and Shar-Pei to dog parks and watch them constantly. Always step in early whenever there is the slightest hint of trouble.

My wife and I have spent good time listening to this 'Dog Whisperer' fellow, Ceasar Milan. We met him once and talked to him about our Shephard. Ceasar is a little bit too much 'bigger than life' and enjoys the limelife in Los Angeles, catering to all of the movie stars. But he has a good message we feel about dogs needing to earn everything that they get. That people need to be the dominate ones.

We were looking at one of his shows the other night that was pretty interesting. And a little bit different from Ceasar's normal story. It was a gal with a horse and a dog. The dog wanted to nip at the horse which resulted in the horse kicking as well as other anxious behaviors you can imagine. The interesting part was when the gal was training the horse and she said that the horse needed to earn everything that was given to him. The horse did not get free time in the ring until he performed well in the training exercises.

At that point Ceasar said that many animals are trained that way, but culturally here in America we tend to treat our dogs like they are children and people. Dogs don't need or want to be treated like children. They need to be treated like one of the pack. Otherwise they exhibit all of these out-of-control behaviors that people complain about.

Someone told me that Ceasar is out of favor now in the dog training world. I wouldn't keep up with those opinions, but think that he has a good message for my wife and I. Obviously, mileage varies because these ARE animals!

Even if we used a shock collar, and it worked, and the Shar-Pei gave all appearances of gentle submissiveness ... we would keep a close eye on her all the time. I don't know if that's considered lack of trust, or simply a healthy respect for who she is. Either way she is going to be watched and managed.

 

[thingy]

It don't have to be in hunting season to let your dogs run rabbits,,its called training ,but thats what most beagles want to do 365 days a year,,just like pit bulls want to fight 365 days a year,its what they were bred for.
Kendal,electricuted is killing something by electricity. Shocking something is not electricuting them,,did you ever hear of electric fences for animals,,or how about electric fences to keep deer out of you garden?My mom used to whip me and I yeped than,,was she being cruel to me? As far as watching somebody put a shock collar on there neck and pushing the button,,what an idiot,,didn't watch it,,just know he's an idiot,,probably an animal rights nut,,,why don't he eat dog food and sleep outside in the winter too,,you probably consider that cruel as well don't you?
Like I have said,these collars have different levels,,you start out on lowest level,,dogs have got hair on their necks to in case you missed it,,hair does not conduct electricity very well,so putting one on your neck and putting one on a dogs neck would not have same results,but probably it should be tested,maybe you could get you some hair of some sort,put it on your neck and put shock collar on and try it,,than,try without the hair,,and you might as well make a video of it to.
But your right about one thing,wouldn't waste my time shocking no pit bull,would just save time and money and put a 22 mag bullit in his head,,,thingy

 

[Unregistered2013]

thank God for freedom --

 

[SLOBuds]

Yeow. Glad my wife doesn't know about the shock vs. bullet theory. Her running assumption is to keep the dog and get rid of the husband.

 

[tallyho8]

A shock collar is a tool and just like any other tool, it is worthless or can be cruel in the hands of someone who is not knowledgeable or experienced in it's use.

A shock collar can not train your dog anymore than a whip can. A shock collar is only a tool that an experienced trainer can use to help train a dog.

A shock collar in the hands of an idiot will only train a dog to be an idiot.

I have seen experienced trainers use a shock collar with good results. I feel that I am one of those. I have seen idiots use them with drastic results.

I have seen experienced operators use a chainsaw with good results. I have seen idiots use them with drastic results.

Do not blame a tool for a person's mistakes.

 

[RonMar]

A shock collar is a tool and just like any other tool, it is worthless or can be cruel in the hands of someone who is not knowledgeable or experienced in it's use.

A shock collar can not train your dog anymore than a whip can. A shock collar is only a tool that an experienced trainer can use to help train a dog.

A shock collar in the hands of an idiot will only train a dog to be an idiot.

I have seen experienced trainers use a shock collar with good results. I feel that I am one of those. I have seen idiots use them with drastic results.

I have seen experienced operators use a chainsaw with good results. I have seen idiots use them with drastic results.

Do not blame a tool for a person's mistakes.

Excellent post.

As for humane vs inhumane IRT a shock collar, Ever had a choke chain around your neck? Same theory applies to that tried and true training aid, but missuse can do physical damage to windpipe. You give me the guy in the video and a choke chain and I will have him doing backflips on demand... I can't think of a single training collar that isn't limited in its duration of shock. IE regardless of how long you press the button, the shock is only applied for a certrain ammount of seconds.