Building a new house - need advice

   / Building a new house - need advice #11  
Also realize that there is a huge number of guys in the trades that are drunks, addicts and gamblers. For whatever reason, the gamblers seem to be the most unreliable, but that's just my experience.

While I am not a general contractor, I did build my own house -- mostly with my own two hands. I never tusted sub, and I think there is good reason not too -- individuals get the dregs.

Eddie, you might enjoy this one.

I used to be a partner in owning an apartment complex, because I had experience, I was selected to manage our roofing contractor.

The crowning achievement was the day I had to go down & post bail for the team so I could get them back to work on our roof. They got drunk in some bar & got into a fight -- wasn't the first time for them either.
 
   / Building a new house - need advice #12  
After doing two remodels ourselves- on complete to the studs, the other room by room while we lived there- we decided to have home built. I really enjoy building, but realized I did not have the time to particpate. I was overwhelmed at how time consuming it was, just keeping up with the GC! They did a great job of pacing us, asking for decisions with some time to think it thru, but not too much. Yes, this was a custom home, so there were more choices than others may have, and we did have a professionally drawn set of plans that we stuck with. One day, after I win the lottery and am retired I would love to build my own home. BUT, unless you are really well versed in the process, my advice is get a good GC and enjoy the ride as much as possible. Also, once you have the plan selected, get several bids from gc's. We were shocked at how much difference there was- two were pretty close, one much lower (25%). Now I love to save money, but how can someone save that much, and not cut on quality? Trust me, we did not find out!

One more thought- we had some drywall issues after the first winter- the builder had the drywaller come out and repair it- same problem in a different area the next year, the builder had him back- all at no cost. The builder even volunteered to have it painted! I doubt that I would have gotten a return phone call, much less a day's labor from him if I had been my own contractor. just a thought....
 
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   / Building a new house - need advice #13  
I have been reading this thread with interest. I am a framing subcontractor. We frame custom homes (2500 sq ft-7000 sq ft) Although we mainly work for 2 general contractors, I have to disagree with those who say the do-it-yourself guy is at the bottom of our list. We frame 2-4 of these a year. In my experience- we get paid faster and are appreciated more by the homeowner! I will say I spend more time up front on these projects helping the owner make sure his ducks are in a row, but seeing his/her excitement each day makes it worth it. That being said- make sure you really WANT to do it, and find REPUTABLE subs! Good Luck!:) Jason
 
   / Building a new house - need advice #14  
just to echo what everyone else has said...if you don't know any subs or what their going rate is you will have to be very patient.
i built my own house and just subbed out the excavating (no problems with that) and concrete work (which took forever to get done) but i'm in a very rural area so there arent many subs to choose from.
the building inspector can be your best ally if he is dedicated to his job.
 
   / Building a new house - need advice #15  
My inlaws own a construction supply company and build houses as well. They helped my wife and I build our house. My father in law was at our house 5 evenings a week with us and the only things we subbed out were plumbing, HVAC, floor coverings, brick, plaster (we hung the sheetrock), and some finish trim work. It was a ton of work, lots of fun for most of it, a royal pain for some of it, and ended up saving us about $80k on a 2300 sq. ft. home.

My wife does alot of the bookwork for her father, so I get to hear all the horror stories on her financial dealings with contractors. She knows the contractors that have lines of credit and pay on time. She knows the contractors that have lines of credit and don't pay on time. She knows the contractors that she won't extend lines of credit to, because they won't pay, ever. If you can find her counterpart in your area, talk to him or her.

My wife has a good friend that was looking to hire out a large addition to their house. They got bids and before talking to my wife, signed with a guy. As soon as my wife learned who they signed with she warned them to document everything and be prepared to get screwed. Sure enough, the guy stopped halfway through. The wife's friend, being an accountant herself, had kept meticulous paperwork, got everything in writing, and was prepared. She kept all the guys tools that he left on site and is in the process of filing a lawsuit.
 
   / Building a new house - need advice #16  
There sure is a lot of good advise on this thread.
I wish I had some of these tips when acting as my GC last year.
My friend also did the same thing. His nieghbor was a banker and knew all of the subs in the area. He was able to give him guidence on which guys were paying/paid on time and had a good rep. since he could see the transactions of the parties envolved. There is much to learn but the contractors will tell you what to expect and what the bid includes. So it won't take long to learn things like the framing bid includes "In-The-Dry" that means doors, windows, tar paper are included in the framing bid. So you can make sure this is not added separately. I made the mistake of trying to let the framing sub do more than framing. They advise "we do it all" but there guys dang sure didn't want to. The never showed up for the siding or roof.
Also I saw a wide range of prices from different subs, like the electric ranged from $1.85 per SF to $2.00 per SF.
 
   / Building a new house - need advice #17  
The biggest problem with being your own GC is finding competent contractors. The competent contractors are already swamped with work from their GC's. If you find a contractor who isn't already tied to a GC, trust me, there's a reason for that. Nobody wants them working on their site.

When we had our addition built, we hired a GC. It was the best money we ever spent (granted our GC was exceptional in all respects). The GC was paid 15% on top of all contractor invoices. That 15% was easily offset by better contractor and material pricing. In other words, in my opinion, the GC saved us money on our addition. I'd think about it long and hard, and consider what your time is really worth, before you jump.
 
   / Building a new house - need advice #18  
If you decide not to be your own GC, or even if you do, there's one important thing you can do to make your project go more smoothly. Clean the jobsite every night. Cleanup is seldom scheduled into the job until a sub is ready to leave & get paid. No sub wants to clean up after another, even to make their own work easier. I've worked for a general that does this & claims it to be his biggest money maker. His site starts every day broom clean, because he cleaned it the night before. Short lengths of lumber are returned to the stock area & somewhat sorted. There's nothing like watching a carpenter cutting 16' 2x12's into short blocking while another is burning 3-4' pieces in the back yard. You'd be surprized at how few will pick up a broken box of nails, it's easier to buy a new box. There's a lot less surprises when you've walked the entire site each night without distraction. MikeD74T
 
   / Building a new house - need advice #19  
This is a great thread. I agree with virtually every post. [Jason L, wish there were more subs like you!] Since I work for a GC, I see this stuff every day, and I have direct experience with what it takes to get a big construction project done.

Now, my advice is based on history. I have remodeled 2 historic homes and built another. For remodels, GC isn't so bad as long as you have the knowlege, money, skills and time. For the new construction, it was a part-time job all by itself just checking the very unprofessional GC, inspecting his work, getting him to live up to his committments, talking to the building inspector to get violations written [since I was ignored half the time], writing letters to lawyers, and on and on. The project was a condo for Mom, and she picked the location and not the builder - a big company who has been on Nightline, 60 Minutes, etc. and is the worst bunch of scoundrels in the industry.

My point is, your time would probably be better used by learning about construction, and critiquing your GC's work in a constructive way, rather than being the GC and trying to work without the benefits of an industry presence and the relationships that are a requirement to succeed in construction.

Also, this is supposed to be fun.... there's nothing quite like moving into a home that is really yours, the product of your imagination and input, executed by professionals who really know what they're doing. It isn't quite like the satisfaction of physically building it yourself but there aren't many people who can actually do that.

Finally - The next time I do this, it will be with a modular. A good modular home is tough to beat.
 
   / Building a new house - need advice #20  
MikeD74T has a realy good point. It's very rare that any of your subs will clean up after themselves and they almost never reuse a piece of wood. The sheetrockers are allot better at using scrap material, but the framers are in a hurry. No time to pull a nail out of a stud that didnt fit right or some other problem.

One job that I was on the framers put the walls up on the bathrooms before the tubs arrived. You can't put a one piece bathtub in through a doorway. So they pulled the studs out to get the tub in and threw the studs away. They just needed the nailes taken out to be as good as new, but nobody was going to do that.

Another thing that you'll run into is money issues. The basic process is to get the loan aproved from the bank. They will aprove a certain level of funds for your project and as each step is accomplished or finished, they will make the funds available to you to pay off your sub or supplier. The bank will require a bill for this showing it's been done or delivered. What happens with some subs is they are so broke or in dept, that they will try to get you to advance them a few bucks before they start a job. Most will be realy nice guys that seem very genuine and honest. Never front any money to a sub. The quickest way to have them disapear is to pay them for work that isn't already done and done right. Even if they finish something and give you a bill, make sure it's done to your satisfaction. This is what the GC does best. He knows what the framing should look like, the plumbing, wiring and everything else. We will only allow the subs to be paid when it passes "HIS" inspection.

When you act as the GC, than it's your call if the work was done properly and what you wanted. If they got lazy and try to cover something up, do it wrong or put something where it's not supposed to be, than you have to make sure they fix it. Never pay until it's fixed!!!

One of the bigger builders around this area has several crews of framers. Some of these crews are very, very good. He also has a crew that doesn't speak any english, or he had them at the time I was involved. He called me to figure out what was wrong with a particular job because the home owner wasn't happy and he coldn't get there right away. I was close by and went to take a look. They had put the windows in the wrong locations!!! A crew can frame a house in a few days to a few weekd, depending on how big or complicated it is. These guys spent two days and got it totally wrong before anybody caught them. They couldn't read english, or the plans, so they just guessed from the drawings on the plan.

He had to bring another crew in to fix that mess, make the client happy and do it correctly. He did this as soon as I told him what had happened, but it cost the GC money for this mistake.

Plumbers put fixtures in the wrong place or forget to put them in other locations. Electricians that say they are done but forget to put all the outlets in, or run out of wire and do an illegal splice and try to hide it. Cabinets that come in the wrong size or the door panels don't match. Painters that mix there paints and get the wrong color in a room, or totally forget certain things.

I've heard allot of stories like these. It's fairly common and something you have to realize before you start hiring people.

It can be done by a novice, and it happens all the time. Unfortunately, the novice is also taken advantage of on many occasions. Even when the house is done and they think it all went well, the problems only surface years later.

The inspector will only tell you what's illegal, not what's sloppy or of poor quality if it's not in violation of the law. He'll probably see it, but I doubt very seriously he'd mention it to you, if you even saw him when he did his inspections.

Good luck,
Eddie
 

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