Building Permit...911 Registration

[foggy1111]

I'm not sure if it's new...but the county is who wanted to charge the 911fee. I just have trouble with a duplication of fee's to establish something that is needed or required by the building permit. One fee begets another fee.....what a merry go round that one is. I for one am sick of this sort of treatment. It isn't like they actually will "DO" anything here to provide any benefit to me. These are simply more taxes.

(maybe I'm just getting old and crotchety.....and it don't help that I quit my chewing tobacco habit a few days ago.....when on April 1 they added more tax for that habit )

 

[Wis Bang]

The county in the PA pocono mtns where our hunting camp is located left a 'hanger' on my door wanting our cabin address so they could notify us of our new address???

Since this is a state forest lease, we only own the buiding. On of the many state rules we have to follow [or risk loosing our lease] is that we cannot have mail delivery.

Part of the information on the flyer was that some street names will be changed to eliminate confusing near duplications and alot of the existing numbers will be changed to reflect the actual location in distance from the begining of the road, the 7000's would be 7 miles from the start or something like that. Once it is all figured out we will be required to purchase geen reflective signs w/ our number [somethng else prohibited by the state rules] and post them at our driveways.

An e-mail to the consultant resulted in a hostile response saying I was being uncooperative & asking if I wanted the fire, ambulance, etc. to be able to find my place? Gee to use 9-11 I need a phone or else cell phone coverage. Being a little 'fired up', I called the number and started giving them some opinion.

Turns out the wanted a way to notify us of our address once they re-draw the county map over the next 18 months, or so. It's been over 2 years and I still don't have the address...

Last June I fell while cutting the weeds and fractured my tibia/fibia and after getting the attention of the closest full time resident 9-11 was called and the local fire chief showed up with the EMT because he knew where the caller lived. After checking me out the EMT pulled out his cell [different carrier] and called the ambulance crew and re-directed the ambulance to our actual location instead of the development they were wandering around.

I now see the value of what they are doing and the 15 - 20 bux the signs will cost will be worth it, I wonder how long it is going to take?

I do think it stinks that they want to charge you just to plug in a number though that number should have meaning to the emergency responders.

 

[Soundguy]

Actually.. I agree with the gal.

In my area.. and probably most.. it is the 911 people that assign your address.. that's what make sit legal.. and mor eimportantly.. inthe system for emergency calls.

that tells the ambulance driver where the road access is. your made up address likely wouldn't show up on a 'search'.

What I'm agast at is that you need a building permit for an ag structure!

soundguy

So.....the other day I mailed in a building permit application to the county where my hunting land is located. I am planning a new 30x40 pole building on 107 acres of land I own....I had talked with the county earlier and did not anticipate any problems with the permit.

The county called today....and the gal calling was quite upset with me and wondered where I came up with the address for my land. I told her I looked at the need for it on the form.....and looked at my neighbors address' and it just stood to reason that this number would be an appropriate number for my new building. SHE WAS AGAST!!...that I would "make up" such a number!!...and told me that I need to apply for a 911 number and send in another $50. to have a legal address. (I am already giving the county $240. for a building permit - And my building is going to be located near 12 avenue and 45th street in a very rural area.....so this ain't exactly rocket science.)

So....this got my goat a bit...and I decided to press this issue. I told her she could put what ever address on the application that she wanted...and unless it was required I didn't see any point in "registering" the address. She told me I needed it if I had a sewer or water....noooo.....or if I had power or other services to the building......nooooooo Well.....she could think of no other reason I NEEDED to have a number other than if an emergency. At the end of the day....she agreed I did not HAVE TO have a number for my building permit...and if I did have a number....the one I had chosen for the application would be correct....so she was going to use it. LMAO

Somtimes you just gotta wonder.

 

[Sackett2]

Wow, this thread has been insightful.
I understand the why of the 911 registering, but strongly object to the cost of it. Does it take $50 worth of manpower to fill out a form and get this place on a map?
Whenever I see the word "FEE" in regards to the government, I replace it with "TAX"
IE, "Vehicle title transfer Fee" Becomes "Vehicle Title Transfer Tax"
They never raise a fee, they raise a tax.

 

[foggy1111]

Wow, this thread has been insightful.
I understand the why of the 911 registering, but strongly object to the cost of it. Does it take $50 worth of manpower to fill out a form and get this place on a map?
Whenever I see the word "FEE" in regards to the government, I replace it with "TAX"
IE, "Vehicle title transfer Fee" Becomes "Vehicle Title Transfer Tax"
They never raise a fee, they raise a tax.

WOW!!!....if I have made but one soul see the light....then this has all been worth it. Tax you say??? ye gads son......I think you got it!!

It's all a matter of self-preservation of the "bureau of tax, manipulation and envy". Hey.."so, he worked for it....lets tax it from him....what say you?" (OK....that may have been a bit brash....it's the lack of taxable nicotene I tell 'ya)

 

[foggy1111]

Actually.. I agree with the gal.

In my area.. and probably most.. it is the 911 people that assign your address.. that's what make sit legal.. and mor eimportantly.. inthe system for emergency calls.

that tells the ambulance driver where the road access is. your made up address likely wouldn't show up on a 'search'.

What I'm agast at is that you need a building permit for an ag structure!

soundguy

Geeez Soundguy.....I was "so" into your posts.....and now I just don't know what to think.

Don't you understand?? For about $300...they will give me a permit with a 911 addy....and for about an extra $399 a year in new real estate taxes (annually) they will "allow" me to store my tractor under a "proper" 911 address. Now then.....with about ten more "good ole boys" like me, paying the same taxes...they will hire another gal....and figure out another way to tax us all out of what ever we been working for!! Now, I'm having trouble with this....and......some day.....when you have seen enough....you will too!!

 

[JB4310]

Google your address and see what you get
Tom in Vermont

Yeah I'm familiar with that, I'm very interested in the mapping and satellite views.
That's why I asked is the 911 system the master database that all the mapping software uses to get the actual addresses?
Some areas on Google maps have street view now where you can see the front of the houses.

As far as the cell phone location goes all the new phones have 911 call location and most can be located anytime they are turned on.

I've got that chaperon service from Verizon where I can see where my kids are from the computer, or get text message alerts when they are entering or leaving specified locations. as long as the phones are turned on.

JB.

 

[Wis Bang]

As far as the cell phone location goes all the new phones have 911 call location and most can be located anytime they are turned on.

I've got that chaperon service from Verizon where I can see where my kids are from the computer, or get text message alerts when they are entering or leaving specified locations. as long as the phones are turned on.

JB.

My cell gives you the option of turning this off so those wearing tin foil hats can still hide from big brother.

 

[Sigarms]

As far as the cell phone location goes all the new phones have 911 call location and most can be located anytime they are turned on.

I've got that chaperon service from Verizon where I can see where my kids are from the computer, or get text message alerts when they are entering or leaving specified locations. as long as the phones are turned on.

My cell gives you the option of turning this off

Wis, that's what they want you to think

 

[Bedlam]

hmm interesting to 'google' iy Mine under yahopo is off by about a few hundred feet, and I dont actuall have any frontage whatsoever on the road they say
and on googleI well they got it about 2 miles off of target real bad .Actually now looking at the google there one road that has two seperate names as it goes into a trail in between. they have them backwards and they have another main road that is 8 miles away as being a road thats just a snowmobile trail.
some really goofed on this one lol

 

[Soundguy]

Geeez Soundguy.....I was "so" into your posts.....and now I just don't know what to think.

Don't you understand?? For about $300...they will give me a permit with a 911 addy....and for about an extra $399 a year in new real estate taxes (annually) they will "allow" me to store my tractor under a "proper" 911 address. Now then.....with about ten more "good ole boys" like me, paying the same taxes...they will hire another gal....and figure out another way to tax us all out of what ever we been working for!! Now, I'm having trouble with this....and......some day.....when you have seen enough....you will too!!

I'm not sure what problem you found with my post?

I just think where you live may be a bit of a drag.

here, it doesn't cost anything to get the address assigned. -Usually- getting an address assigned is aprt of the permit process.. IE.. pulling a permit for initial construction ( or electric, or a well ), triggers the 911 address application.. however.. you can freely do the address application without pulling a permit, and cost is -0- dollars to get the address.

IE.. to have a piece of undeveloped ag land in my county with an address and to stick an ag building on it with no power or water, means no permit and no fees.

It's a county thing.. some counties are harder than others... northwest of me, there is a county that you can actually build a 400sf or smaller cabin on your rural property.. with no permits.. and it can be fully functional... electric, water.. sewer.. etc.

just got to buy the pole.. pay the power people, and pay the septic man.... I've hear dof other counties in other states that are equally lax.. Guy I work with has a cabin a couple states north... when he started building it he tracked downt he local county office to get a building permit... cleark asked him.. "why'd you want to do that? "...

good luck where you live... and sorry my post somehow bothered you.. or made you feel bad enough to use the angry face and the flat lippd one... ??

soundguy

 

[JB4310]

My cell gives you the option of turning this off so those wearing tin foil hats can still hide from big brother.

You sure? Mine does not have that option, the 2 options are;

1) Location On: which is what you would choose for the chaperon service where you can track the phone from computer or other phone.
With this option selected E911 location is on.


The only other option is called;

2) E911 Only


So no option to turn off the 911 call locator, on all my phones anyway. thought that was some Gov mandate.


JB.

 

[dmccarty]

Our county used to assign addresses one way then they changed for 911 reasons. Addresses are based on distance from a major intersection. I'll be danged if I know what the measurement distance actually is but it is not in feet, yards, or meters. Best I can tell its a fathom.

We had to get the address when we built our house and put up number signs at the gate that is a good distance from our house. Emergency services can find the gate. I can't remember if we had to pay to get the address. A lady from the county drove out and measured the distance to get our address. Since the address is based on distance emergency services will have it easier finding the address.

Seems like a good idea to me. We paid for the lady to come out and find our address either though a fee or a tax. This one I don't mind. Our county wastes far more money for far more useless things than getting a correct address. This one is useful compared to spending 360K for 18 months of van service for maybe 45 people a day on a very narrow route that only a few people can even hope to use. Or our Human Relations person. Don't even get me started on that one.

Later,
Dan

 

[foggy1111]

I'm not sure what problem you found with my post?

I just think where you live may be a bit of a drag.

here, it doesn't cost anything to get the address assigned. -Usually- getting an address assigned is aprt of the permit process.. IE.. pulling a permit for initial construction ( or electric, or a well ), triggers the 911 address application.. however.. you can freely do the address application without pulling a permit, and cost is -0- dollars to get the address.

IE.. to have a piece of undeveloped ag land in my county with an address and to stick an ag building on it with no power or water, means no permit and no fees.

good luck where you live... and sorry my post somehow bothered you.. or made you feel bad enough to use the angry face and the flat lippd one... ??

soundguy

I apologize Soundguy.....my post was way out of line. I miss-read what you said, and then I tried to use a little tongue-in-cheek...and botched that up pretty badly. I'm just upset with the county and their fee's....not you.

 

[Bird]

Our county used to assign addresses one way then they changed for 911 reasons. Addresses are based on distance from a major intersection. I'll be danged if I know what the measurement distance actually is but it is not in feet, yards, or meters. Best I can tell its a fathom.

We had to get the address when we built our house and put up number signs at the gate that is a good distance from our house. Emergency services can find the gate. I can't remember if we had to pay to get the address. A lady from the county drove out and measured the distance to get our address. Since the address is based on distance emergency services will have it easier finding the address.

Seems like a good idea to me. We paid for the lady to come out and find our address either though a fee or a tax. This one I don't mind. Our county wastes far more money for far more useless things than getting a correct address. This one is useful compared to spending 360K for 18 months of van service for maybe 45 people a day on a very narrow route that only a few people can even hope to use. Or our Human Relations person. Don't even get me started on that one.

Later,
Dan

Dan, I'm not sure whether that system of addresses being some distance from a particular point is nationwide or not, but I know it exists in many places. I know what the starting points are in Dallas, and in Navarro County, they didn't send a lady out to measure; instead she just measured on the map. Our address was 18870 and I think we were just about 19 miles from town.

 

[Bedlam]

In my case. I have two signs out by the entrance to my road so if they are watching closely they will see the signs. I'm above and beyond whats required.
But one time I called an ambulance, and about 10 minutes later i hear the police
and they screamed right by.911 operator said is that them I said no just eh police and they went by because they didn't see the sign and I don't live on the same road as my address.I said it must be the new recruit as the other know me.
Anyways the ambulance found the house OK so that was what matters.
But we have also need the common sense approach here. The road agent called in a crash into his tree in his yard and the 911 sent them to the opposite end of the road and refused to accept that they were wrong.So valuable time was lost.Moral? Don't give up on plain old down by johns pig and kangaroo farm.In addition to the 911.
911 is only a tool....not fool-proof.
At least in my neck of the woods

 

[sunspot]

When I first moved to my rural address we had the Route and Box method. My county has since gone to E911.

I get all of my mail and most of our deliveries to this address.

For some unknown reason, Google does not recognize the street I live on. I once received a notice from UPS that my mail address is invalid. They sent it via USPS. When I called them the lady explained that my address was no good. I then told her that I got their notice in my mailbox so how could that be so. There was a moment of silence and then she said my package would be on the next run. I got a chuckle out of that.

BTW, if you Google my phone number it has my old route and box address.

I'm a bit hard to find if you use a computer.

 

[EddieWalker]

I drove for UPS for awhile. If it was a street that I didn't recognize, I would use the Thomas Guide map. If it wasn't there, I'd look on a AAA map. If it wasn't on either of those, odds were good that it was mis-spelled and I sent it to the office for research. Most of the time, I never saw it again. A few times it came back as a good address with directions. It's funny how many mistakes are on the maps and how long they get ignored. I contacted Thomas Maps one time to see if they would pay for corrections to their maps. With all the drivers that UPS has, I figured it was a no brainer to offer a reward for corrections to their maps. I got a form letter thanking me for my time and to have a nice day. LOL

Eddie

 

[Wis Bang]

When I use Google Earth to look at the area I hunt, I see that they have labeled the State Forest dirt road [gated 'cept in deer season] as XXX Hill Road Extension instead of the name on the Topo Map and the State Forest map. XXX Hill Rd is the one named street that the private section of this old CCC road meets while the opposite end meets a county road, in a different township, that only accesses this road and a large private holding and is named XXX access after that holding.

I guess they sometimes make names up as they go?

 

[Bird]

Google.com and google's maps will not locate my old address in Navarro County, but neither UPS nor FedEX ever had a problem delivering to me, although I don't know what maps they used.