Business plans for Mulching

   / Business plans for Mulching #61  
I'm not sure how far apart you would be but there is a TBN member PACO who just purchased a 100 with a fecon head. Look under pics of new rc-100. If you weren't competeing directly I'm sure he would like to have a fan come and see his new toy. He's a good guy and might could answer some questions for you. He has also researched this subject to death also and I believe his efforts have paid off with the most bang for his buck. His tractor IS the complete package. I don't any more attachments or options would fit.
Shoot him a message or maybe he'll chime in and comment.

So you didn't like my renting idea?:D Robbie
 
   / Business plans for Mulching #63  
dive2diver said:
He did ask if I wanted to buy his unit, and he ask mentioned track issues, like I said I believe he does push his equipment very hard. I am going to plan out going out to his job site which is about 20 miles from here so I will see how his equipment and his maintance practices work out for him. I have so much to think about and understand before I make this leap.


I would really question why he wants to sell. Is it because it isn't as profitable as he expected, maintenance costs are eating him up, etc, etc? Again, I still say buy a used machine if you can find one from someone else that can't afford it anymore, changed his business plans, etc. Machines like this depreciate very rapidly, and a 1 year old machine may sell for 1/2 of a new machine, and especially if you can do your own work this is a much better buy.

People that argue for always buying new "because you aren't getting someone else's problems", or "customers don't want to hear that your machine is down" or ect, etc, do so primarily to justify their own proclivities for always buying new. That's like my former SIL who justified buying a new Ford Taurus "because than you don't have to worry about repairs because it's under warranty", never taking into account that Ford Taurus's depreciate faster than almost any other car. (heck, it wasn't uncommon to see these cars that cost ~ $23k new being worth about $5k two years and 30k miles later.) And it certainly was a factor in her bankruptcy and divorce!

If you can buy a good used machine with attachments, a trailer and truck for around $30k-$50k you will be vastly ahead of having twice that wrapped up in new equipment for use on a part-time basis. Personally, I think that is still too high of an investment, unless you are certain that you will get enough work to gross at least 4 times your expected monthly expenses. Any less than that, and you will end up working for nothing or worse when things go wrong, and go wrong they will.

In all honesty, I still say that you don't want to do this on a part-time basis unless you have enough cashflow from your primary job to be able to make all payments for at least 4-5 months or even longer if needed. This is called margin, and will save your rear if things don't go as expected, and helps you to sleep at night!

Always, always, always, have an exit strategy and at least one backup plan that you can live with if things go wrong. Remember, most Americans don't do this when borrowing money, and that is why so many are broke and always living paycheck to paycheck.
 
   / Business plans for Mulching #64  
Hey Dive, I don't know personally about anyone renting mulchers in your area. You'll just have to make some phone calls.

But another route would be to demo one for a day. You might have to "play" the salesman a bit. Seem ready to buy but they should arange a demo for a day. Especially a dealership that doesn' sell a ton of mulchers. They would be more eager for your business.

Also KM mentioned you doing this part-time, do mean starting the mulching business before you quiet your full-time job? This is what I'm doing so it's more like two full-time jobs!!! But were getting there, It's all in God's master plan, don't rush the master.

But he is right, the lower your monthly notes the better chance you have of making it. Cut corners where you can or put things off 6 months or so and aquire a truck and trailer in the mean time so all you'll have to buy is the tractor/mulcher.
 
   / Business plans for Mulching #65  
Hey guys,

A friend of mine e-mailed this string to me. It close to home because I'm were Diver is. My plan is made, marketing is in place, videos made the whole bit. It's been a long road to hoe so far, but I'm not giving up. There is no one in my area mulching. I know for a fact that this will work.

Banks in this area (Central & East Texas) don't like start-ups. Once you're up and going, the bankers fall all over them selves to try and give you money. It's back *** back wards as far as I'm concerned.

After reading the string, of which there were lots of good ideas and tips, I see where you guys are saying the RC 100 with forestry package is going for $60k. Is that right?

I've been working with Texas Timber Jack in Lufkin (co-maker of the Tush Hog) and he's giving me a "discount" of $110k. That includes the Tush Hog head, forestry package and cab over pressure.

If you guys can steer me to the dealer in your area, I can drive there and pick one up. A $50k savings will go along way. After reading this string, it's real hard for me to believe that any cutting head costs $50k. Can you imagine what I could do with $50K in my pocket instead of putting in someone else's pocket.

I know this string is old and long now, but if you could, please let me in on some of this info.

John
 
   / Business plans for Mulching #66  
You have thoughtit through and made your decision, hopefully your wife is 100% supporting you so the BEST of LUCK to YOU! I hope your dreams come true.
 
   / Business plans for Mulching #67  
Oh yes, it's great to have the better have supporting you. In fact she's helped do some of the research and writting. Thanks for the support guys, I'll be here daily reading and asking questions.

John
 
   / Business plans for Mulching #68  
Hi guys,
DON'T DO IT!!!!

Callchopper.com in the biz 3 years. Nevada County CA. ASV 100 FAE fixed tooth carbide head, Int . Cargostar truck, 325 gal fire trailer.Making the payments, Making ASV dealer rich. Last year replaced tracks @ 900hr. $5400, another $5k for "parts" Made my own forestry guards, put a10,000lb. winch on the stern (you WILL get stuck). I do most of the maint.
How old are you?
ASV will kill you in down time. The ASV is a great loader. It was designed to move dirt, it does this very well. I have a 4-in-one bucket also. BUT when you put a 2000lb. cutter on it. Track life is 1/3rd of dirt movers. Here we have manzinita, a very tough but brittle mini tree. Full power needed to make money clearing this. A day like today in alder, ceanothes, and blackberries is a day on the beach. Unless something blows. Get an ASV up around 2000 hours and things start to go. Bogie bearing seals (have to pull the track, it's 400lbs). second set of tracks, broken axels Yes! Every one breaks them here (5 in the county) except me. For every 4 days working expect 8 hours maint. Oh, be sure to pull the belly pans (10 bolts) to clear the brushy bits every 10 days. Old ASV's in Nevada County don't wear out they burn up. 4 total loss in the last 3 years. Check out how easy it is to ignite track rubber. All fuel hoses in eng' compartment .. should be shielded. But they are not. You WILL have a fire. Nothing comes close to the power for size, but you pay, Engine is a Cat Perkins. Cat Dealers sell Cat loaders, Not ASV's. Your engine (Perkins) is worked on by the generator service division. Love the engine. Cooling... Look for the reversing fan. I could go on...
Check ASV RC 100 Maintenance

Selling everything.

The slower you go the more you get done....
Hasta....
Chopper.
 
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   / Business plans for Mulching #69  
I live near Richmond, VA and I have been researching this business for several months. I just recently found this site. Seems like a wealth of information from many very experienced operators who have paved the way for upstarts like myself. I am just about to fire up this new business and obviously want to make the ideal choice for equipment.

I have looked at and compared about every loader made with the high flow capabilities required to run a Fecon or comaparable cutting head and I have a question. The Rayco or Fecon FTX 90 may have a few less hp than some others, but doesnt it seem logical to run the machine that the factory has matched up with the cutter? Looking at the running gear it just seems to be tough as nails and well engineered to stay alive in the woods and it seems to have better cooling capabilities than the rest. I am very interested in your comments and advice.

Thanks
Mark One
 
   / Business plans for Mulching #70  
Welcome Mark! I too have been researching everything I can get my hands on and have come down to the Rayco partly because of local service. Good luck on your decision. If price is no object then the Gyrotrac GT18 is definately hard to beat! Just keep the prices high for the rest of us:D
 

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