Buying land. Then get a Log Cabin, Motorhome, Trailer, or Other?

   / Buying land. Then get a Log Cabin, Motorhome, Trailer, or Other? #51  
Existing septic and well no doubt add to the price of the property but not as much as it would cost you to put it in new on property that doesn't have it.

But best to check to see if you can even use an existing well or septic. Didn't use to be much of an issue but now days an existing septic on a vacant property is about worthless unless you have detailed documentation about how and when it was installed. Wells are less regulated but will still need to be tested before an occupancy permit is issued.
 
   / Buying land. Then get a Log Cabin, Motorhome, Trailer, or Other? #52  
I'll stick in my 2½¢ ........... You will hate a mobile home and a log cabin type structure requires about the most maintenance of any.
 
   / Buying land. Then get a Log Cabin, Motorhome, Trailer, or Other? #53  
Log homes can be beautiful, but as others have said they have high cost and challenges. Carpenter bees and woodpeckers are not going to be your friends.

In my mind SIPs are the way to build these days... Structural Insulated Panels.

You could build out a modest space like 20X30 that would be easy to heat and cool.

later on down the road you could add on if more space was needed... But we all live in far more space than we really need...
 
   / Buying land. Then get a Log Cabin, Motorhome, Trailer, or Other? #54  
CatLady said:
I am early in my research, and looking for some pointers. Sorry for the newbie questions.

I'm looking to buy land soon (probably around 5 acres, though 10 would be nice) and I'm thinking of a log cabin. Let's assume the land already has septic & utils. (A trailer used to be there. Or I would install the utils.)

I am accustomed to living in a large typical house. I am ready to take the plunge and live in the country, however, I don't want to regret if I get a small cabin or camper. On the other hand, I want to save money.

I feel that a newer Trailer would cost too much. So I would be in an older singlewide that might start needing repairs. I would try to get a early to mid 90's trailer. That's one main thing I like about cabins, being smaller and cheaper to transport, it looks like I could afford a new or excellent condition cabin. If I get one that's not fancy and larger. I am thinking of cabins as small as 12x32, with a big loft. That's the smallest I could deal with... and if I did this, I'd have a detached garage for storage.

On the other hand, it (or a camper) would be quite small and not feel like living in a house. A trailer would feel almost like a house, at least when I was inside. Right now, I like the idea of living in a cabin, and like that they would be so cheap to heat (if insulated properly), but I wonder if I would regret it within a year.

I am also wondering about buying a cheap old motorhome / camper to start out with. I would be using it for shelter and not moving it, but it gives me flexiblity to resell it later, since someone can drive (or haul) it away. As big and nice as possible but staying down around $2000-$3000...? I am thinking of an 80's one. What do I need to consider about living in one (on my own land)? What might I hate? They rock slightly in strong winds, right? Are they always badly insulated if they are this old? Would I stay warm? With my electric heater which is a type that has less risk of fire.

I would probably hate the motorhome for a while, especially an older one, but I'd get used to it, and would be saving money. I would plan to upgrade to a trailer or cabin or build (stick built). If I went with a cabin or trailer, I might be leasing and paying interest. OR leasing the land and paying interest. I am mulling over these options to try to save money. Without skimping so much that I am unhappy.

I need to consider these things now, because I am considering paying cash for the land. It seems to be best to spend more on the land first, and skimp on the housing part, since I can upgrade that later. Rather than get stuck with land that is too small or not private enough or otherwise wrong. However, I don't want to be totally a "fish out of water" and unhappy. If I leased the land, I would have more cash to get the cabin/other, but it would be really nice to know the land is owned and paid off.

Other options? Thank you in advance for any guidance.

I'd do the log cabin. I've always wanted one.
 
   / Buying land. Then get a Log Cabin, Motorhome, Trailer, or Other? #55  
I live in a log home. It's nice but it does have some minor issues. I bought it 10 years after it was built, 15 years ago.

If I were to start from scratch with some rural land I would probably build a steel home.
Kodiak Steel Homes | Models and Pricing
I can assemble it myself and the strength and low maintenance are hard to beat.

When you look at the price of home kits be sure to factor in all of the building costs. Take a look at this checklist. It's for steel homes but most of the items are universal.
Kodiak Steel Homes | Cost Checklist
 
   / Buying land. Then get a Log Cabin, Motorhome, Trailer, or Other?
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#56  
Ooh, I like the steel homes. Insulated Panels look good too, and a friend was telling me about concrete panels.

I want an option where I don't have to use those construction glues and things that are bad chemically. I have chemical sensitivities.

The other concern would be resale value. If nobody cared that I used more expensive durable materials, and I had to sell it for the same price as normal (shoddy) built homes.

I might go with an older stick-built house if I found one that was good enough chemically (for my allergies). I was told older houses are better since they had years to air out and newer building materials are worse and worse (cheaper, more toxic). It seems difficult to find and check a house, because almost any could have invisible hidden mold or other issues.
 
   / Buying land. Then get a Log Cabin, Motorhome, Trailer, or Other? #57  
OK, first off...where do you live? :laughing: Just the state,or at least the region! (NE,SE,SW,etc.) You don't have to give the exact location. I ask because construction costs/taxes/permitting vary IMMENSELY depending on your area. 5 to 10 acs. of land in rural NC as opposed to the same size lot in California or NY can be 10's of thousands of dollars difference. Same thing with permitting/regulations.

Knowing the general area would also help with climate considerations and construction. Heating/cooling a home in Southern Texas is a WHOLE different ballgame from heating/cooling a home in Northern Michigan.

Also, alternative construction methods sound great,(SIP, poured concrete,etc.) and do have advantages, but also tend to require specialized construction techniques. Poured concrete construction is not for a DIY'er unless you have friends who are engineers.:D Check out Sam Walton's thread http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/projects/145915-terra-dome-earth-shelter-build-new-post.html to see whats involved with that. Very labor-intensive and costs can quickly escalate. SIP construction requires thorough planning beforehand as well as engineering considerations.

Believe me, I'm not trying to discourage you, but instead PREPARE you!:D

Whenever one deviates from "conventional" stick-built construction and moves towards "alternative" or "green" construction techniques/materials, labor and material costs can quickly escalate out of control. A small crew of good carpenters can frame/dry-in a simple,single story,1200 sq. ft stick-built house in less than a week with only hand tools and sweat. An electrician or plumber can rough-in that same home in 1 to 2 days.

When you get into poured concrete construction, forms must be made, conduit/plumbing installed, before concrete is even poured, and it has to be pumped into wall forms, requiring specialized equipment and experienced concrete guys. If not done properly, building integrity can be compromised.

Steel homes and SIP homes fall into the same scenario. Experienced contractors and usually a crane, along with engineering considerations and specialized construction techniques. Once again, not generally recommended for a DIY project with a limited budget.

Alternative, green construction sounds great when listening to the salesman's pitch (Reduced energy consumption, high r-values, living "off the grid", etc) but the higher construction/material costs are generally not re-couped until 5 to 10 years down the road.

Knowing the general location would help us out a lot in terms of recommendations. In my neck of the woods, if a building is not on a permanent foundation, a building permit is not required. My uncle and I framed a 15x30 shed on skids, vinyl siding,metal roof,plumbed/wired/insulated/sheetrocked it for less than $10,000,turn-key. We could have probably did it for 1/3rd less, but my uncle tends to "over-engineer" things! :laughing: My cousin lived in it for 4 years before he got married, then we converted it into a nice wood shop. Granted, it wasn't classified as a "residence" ;) and therefore was exempt from permitting/inspection, but it was still built to exceed residential code as far as construction. It was quite the bachelor pad while he lived there!

My point to all this is if you are working with limited funds and free or cheap labor/volunteers, then stay away from radical construction ideas. Keep it as simple as possible using readily available, inexpensive materials. If you have allergies, stick with wood/tile floors and use non-toxic,water-based paints or paneling for interior finishes. There are cellulose (recycled newsprint), cotton (shredded denim) and even agricultural-based (Soy) insulations that have comparable R-values to fiberglass and petroleum-based products and are much more allergy-friendly.

Since allergies are a concern for you, I would recommend extreme caution with old/used trailers. I'd say over 90% of the mobile homes/campers I've seen that are over 5 years old have issues with mold from water penetration. Leaking roofs/windows, sub-par plumbing fixtures and cheap bathroom materials, lack of proper caulking around tubs,toilets,showers,and sinks are all problems I've encountered with mobile homes of all types and manufacturers. Even homes that appear well-cared for can have hidden issues, so buyer beware!

Once again, I'm not trying to discourage you!!! I'm trying to PREPARE you!!:laughing: You have to be prepared and look beyond the shiny coating people put on things they are trying to sell, especially when it comes to trailers and campers! That new tub enclosure may be hiding a rotting wall! That fresh coat of paint or new sheetrock may be covering water-damage and mold-covered studs. Whenever looking at these things, take along one of your construction-savvy friends in some old clothes. Have him crawl underneath that sucker with a bright flashlight and check for damaged,loose,or missing insulation. Open those cabinets, look under those sinks, bounce on those bathroom floors! The problems will show themselves if you look for them! Kilz paint can only hide so much!!:D

Don't give up! Don't give in! Use patience and thoughtful examination before buying! Your money is too scarce to throw away on something that isn't livable or will require a total redo!:thumbsup:

Good luck!!
 
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   / Buying land. Then get a Log Cabin, Motorhome, Trailer, or Other? #58  
There are few things in life that reach into the soul of our heritage and the heart of our connection to the land like a Log Cabin. From the time I was a little girl whenever I saw a log cabin I would inhale with glee and exhale with a satisfying sigh, often followed by an ahhhh!

Of course it's only appropriate that I recently discovered a carpenter who helped me build my tree house that hand hews logs for Log Cabins. He hand hewed the 24' ridge pole in the tree house taken from a 75' pine tree the utility company took by mistake - ouch.

Due to our joint love of the woods and creating from nature, we have started working together. We teach the art of hand hewing and assist people in the process of building their own Log Cabin, as well as creating traditional Log Cabins. We are forming a class this spring in the St. Louis area.

Here are a few images of the 2 story hand hewn log home Rob Insco built for his family here in Missouri. I know you are in another part of the country and I'm sure there is a local "artist" who could assist you on your venture should you choose to harvest your home from your land. We are so happy to help in giving you information that may bless your journey.

Good Luck,
Nature Girl
 

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   / Buying land. Then get a Log Cabin, Motorhome, Trailer, or Other? #60  
Some people are not meant to own, but are better off renting. I say that, not in a disparaging way, but because it is the truth. From a purely economic point of view, the old paradigm of the American dream of home ownership has shifted somewhat and you may very well be better off simply renting.

You've been asked at least 4 -5 times, where do you live? A very pertinent and relevant question.
 

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