BX 1800 ENGINE LIFE EXPECTANCY

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Running a modern engine, gas or diesel, less than full throttle in a tractor does in fact cause additional wear for several reasons. The "old" days of how your father's father or whatever ran a tractor are well past. Modern engines running on ULSD must be run at full throttle as designed for the application. Running at less than full throttle while even doing light work causes excess heat or not enough heat in an engine depending on the load. This in turn leads to carbon build-up and valve problems. This is especially true of tier 3 and 4 emission compliant engines. In fact, even a Cummins or International over the road diesel run on an in-town delivery truck will have problems unless taken out on the highway and "opened-up" to higher RPMS. Google the relatively new "International MaxxForce" diesels and read about the problems they are having with them in applications that do not see high RPM loads such as in-town delivery, airport shuttle and school bus applications.

The newest tier 4 and IIIB engines use EGR (exhaust gas recirculation) and many use DPF (diesel particulate filters) which require an engine run at a higher temperatture then "older gen" diesels.

Basically the "crap" that diesels used to exhause now gets puked back into the engine and "recirculated".

From the Kubota web page >>>>>""Tier 4 and Stage IIIB are extremely stringent standards. The new standards require further reduction of particulate matter (diesel soot) by 90% in comparison to the previous standards.

In order to comply with the new standards, Kubota utilized a variety of technologies such as Common Rail System, an electronic fuel injection system, for optimization of combustion processes, Exhaust-Gas-Recirculation Device (EGR)*3 and Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF)*4 for improvement of emission performance . These technologies will bring more durable, quieter and fuel efficient engines with minimal impact to the engine package for ease of installation into OEMs machines.
In additional to the above, Kubota also developed and introduced a new emission-compliant diesel engine (engine output range between 19 to 37kW), which utilizes Kubotaç—´ proprietary "TVCS"*5 combustion system and unique DPF regeneration system.
Kubota also obtained EPA and CARB certifications for diesel engines with an output range below 19kW. Of special note is that Kubota obtained the emission certifications without adding new devices, but with further optimization and improvement of existing technologies.

With the introduction of these newly developed diesel engines, Kubota is confident to satisfy both the emission standards as well as the markets wide-variety and challenging demands.
Production of these new emission certified engines will begin in October 2012 for use in Kubota branded agricultural and construction machineries as well as OEMç—´ equipment such as construction machines, gen-sets, welders and other industrial applications.

*3?GR: Technique to reduce NOx by re-circulating a portion of exhaust gas to the engine cylinder and reducing the oxygen content to a lower combustion temperature""<<<<

A modern Diesel engine has a narrow RPM band for proper and efficent operation. On most modern tractors in order to achieve the proper PTO speeds the engine is designed for full throttle operation. Anything less during a load runs the risk of lugging and creating excess heat and stress on the engine and / or too low of cylinder head temps resulting in excess carbon, emissions systems problems and ultimately valve train issues.

More importantly than the engines, which are almost bullet proof anyway, is the hydro pumps. they are designed for a specific RPM and tractors / ztr mowers ect are designed around the pumps. Even if doing light work the tractor itself doesn't get any lighter and has to be moved around regardless of what you might be doing with it...even just driving it down the drive way. The hum you hear with hydro pumps at low RPMs is lugging of the pumps and I promise you will see significantly reduced longevity on pumps run at less that full throttle.

Also, when running an engine and hydro pumps at less than full RPMs the following occurs:

--less oil pump volume circulating and less pressure for both lubrication and cooling (this applies to both engines and hydros....in an engine it might even under some circumstances cause a lack of lubrication / burned valves and failure)

--less engine coolent being circulated through the radiator (the water pump is RPM driven, same as oil pump)

--excessively high or low cylinder head temps causing multiple problems as stated above / carbon build up

--harmonic vibrations that can damage the tractor or even frame....diesel produce destructive harmonic vibrations that can even crack frames and welds. If running a unit at less than full throttle which is what it is designed for you may cause the vibrations to occur (you may or may not even feel them) and can damage your tractor

--damage to implements that require 540 PTO / I have seen so many people using rotary and finish mowers at less than the 540 spec / this causes increased wear to the gear boxes ect

Nothing good comes from excess idling and running a modern diesel at less than full RPMS as designed.

Older diesels are different just like older carburetor cars needed the throttle pumped to set the choke and modern fuel injection does not.

I know there will be antidotal evidence to the contrary of what I have said....someone out there has run at less than full throttle for years and thousands of hours without problems ect or maybe the problems just have not shown up yet. It like having high cholesterol...you wont necessarily see the problems until later and with a diesel that could be into the thousand plus hr mark. I can show you an example of a 89yeor old pack to 2 pack a day smoker that is healthy.....there is always an exception!

I have an older BX that I keep at my shop and run a PTO generator with day in and day out at 540 PTO which means 3150ish engine RPMs. I have had 'Bota diesels hit the 10,000 hr mark and still run.

I stand by run it at full RPM and the work / rebuilds my shop saw over the years confirms this as well as every dealer training session I have been to on Kubota, Yanmar, Cat, Kohler, Brigss, Kawasaki ect.

So the Kubota engine or any other that is on a reefer unit or generator that runs at a a steady 1800rpm for 25000 hrs is really not true. Even though the same engine in your mower will be governed at 3200rpm.
The fact is that modern engines have a fairly broad operating range which should be determined by the load. Tier 4 engines do require a certain amount of heat for the emissions to operate properly. Take the emissions crap off and you can run it anyway you want.
 
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refers engines ect are designed specifically for the load they are operating / the engineers don't just guess / in a tractor or mower application that engine has been designed to run at full RPM -- even if its the "same" engine the applications are different even down the the air filter assembly and how much air can pass without restrictions into the engine for consumption / the bigger issue on tractors is the hydraulics as I stated in my post / someone who lugs a Kubota diesel won't most likely have any problems until the engine gets into higher hrs of use / the main cause of hydro failures is heat build up and one of the main causes of heat build up is lugging the engine thus running the hydros at too low of an RPM
 
   / BX 1800 ENGINE LIFE EXPECTANCY #63  
Running a modern engine, gas or diesel, less than full throttle in a tractor does in fact cause additional wear for several reasons. The "old" days of how your father's father or whatever ran a tractor are well past. Modern engines running on ULSD must be run at full throttle as designed for the application. Running at less than full throttle while even doing light work causes excess heat or not enough heat in an engine depending on the load. SNIP....
As well as every dealer training session I have been to on Kubota, Yanmar, Cat, Kohler, Brigss, Kawasaki ect.........
SNIP........

Well, I don't want to create a false impression. I agree that diesels are designed to run at high RPM. and I agree that you won't hurt your diesel by running it too fast, but if you lug it - something that gas engines can do OK - but if you lug your diesel AT ALL then terrible things can happen. I want to make that clear.
Most modern diesels have an auto-throttle. You'll notice that it is load sensitive and varies the engine RPM with load. Hydraulic load included. And you will also notice that the auto-throttle is biased toward higher RPM. The computer will rev your diesel quite a bit higher than you might expect. This is all good. Even though the auto-throttle seems to be spinning the motor faster than you expect - it knows what is good for the motor.
So definitely don't ever lug it. Always run it a bit higher RPM than you think you should. But above all, don't worry. I doubt that diesel engine wear is going to be a problem. My experience says that busted or worn engines are due to other things.
rScotty
 
   / BX 1800 ENGINE LIFE EXPECTANCY #64  
Well said rScotty!!! I have seen plenty of gas engine with horrible carbon build up and valve issues from being lugged in lawn and garden tractors though. Oh ya, we all have stories in this biz but I saw a 'Bota fail totally at 50ish hrs once....the lady that bought it has just gotten divorced and insisted on doing everything herself...first oil change was always free at my dealership....anyway she calls me yelling...mad...threatening about the "junk" I sold her......I go out to her place and see the unit....she changed the oil herself but cross threaded the new filter and drove away. Surprisingly diesels don't run real well or real long without any oil---imagine that!!! I will say the unit made it about 600 feet before seizing which judging by the trail of oil was about 150ish feet from the point it looked like all the oild had come out.....so further than I would have expected lol.....this was a Kubota engine but not on a Kubota tractor and there was no low oil shut down....she wanted a new engine under warranty.....she ended up getting it too from the equipment manufacturer which I thought was ridiculous myself....she still trashed me and my dealership on Yelp ect and claimed I sold her a junk unit!!!
 
   / BX 1800 ENGINE LIFE EXPECTANCY #65  
I agree too with a lot of what has been said. Most small diesel engine failures in my experience will come long before wear is a factor, most homeowners will not put enough hours on their engines to wear them out. Most failures I have seen are from overheating because consumers don't understand radiator maintenance, or from ingesting dirt because they don't understand air filter maintenance. They are far more likely to wear out their hydrostats from not running the rpm high enough to keep sufficient charge oil flow to keep the pump/motor pistons properly seated on the swash plates or enough oil flowing through the cooler to keep the unit cool.

Brian
 
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So while ProScape and I can disagree on the finer points of RPM, I think we'd both agree that these are mechanical devices which can and will go wrong. And that if you stay somewhere close on either of our RPM philosophies then diesel engine wear is the one thing that you won't have to worry about.
I've seen more diesels worn out in the injection system by water in the fuel than by hours. Something else to always watch for is chaff building up on the radiator fins. Even with a screen, you should check that often. Every hour when mowing a dry field is not too often....I've also seen far more engines killed by just ignoring the common sense things than for any other reason.
rScotty
 
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   / BX 1800 ENGINE LIFE EXPECTANCY #68  
Just a couple of points I'd like to bounce off of you.
I see you are in Florida. Ever start a diesel at 30 degrees below 0? They sound horrible! To start that thing, blast it to full throttle, and not let it get the oil warmed up and lubricating properly just doesn't seem like a good plan to me. I might not run my tractor for several weeks if there's no snow. This is when the most wear is going to occur and I would guess that full throttle with little oil is not in my best interests.

I run my BX at full throttle for mowing. I have recently made several trips to a nursery less than a mile away with it. Driving down the road at full hst is much warmer than mowing as evidenced by the heat coming up from the rear end around the seat and through the lever slots. And it was much greater at full throttle than when I just drop it back a few hundred rpm's. Yes, this is anecdotal evidence. But when facts stare me in the face, I pay attention.
 
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At 30 below you should NOT be starting ANY Diesel engine unless you have a BLOCK HEATER. Here is one made for Kubota diesels on eBay for $55.00.

Kubota Block Heater Kit Kubota Tractor Engine Heater New | eBay

I would suggest using a proper viscosity oil for the temperatures, preferably synthetic, and always a block heater in extreme temperatures. I do know what an engine sounds like when started below freezing and yes its very hard on the engine. However, letting it idle does more damage than slowly advancing the throttle once started because you need the RPMs for the oil pump for both flow and pressure to lubricate all of the engine components. The facts that stare you in the face is the owner's manual and no where does it state to idle the engine for a warm up and no where does it say to run 540 pto implements at less than 540 which requires almost or full throttle on most units. If they wanted you to run the implement at say 480 pto they would say so and they don't. Do what you like but I would NEVER start any engine diesel or gas at 30 below unless it had been stored in a heated garage or had a block heater. Its your tractor and your money. I have just been in this business 22 years and owned a power equipment dealership for 12 of those. It amazes me how many people want to ignore the owners manual like they are somehow smarter than the engineers that designed the thing. To each his own and no offense at all intended.
 
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Remember the oil pump has to deliver both volume of oil and pressure to lubricate the entire engine...when oil is cold its thicker which requires more pumping action.....the oil pump is run off the engine internally and directly....the more RPMs the more pressure and more volume. The sooner you can bring an engine (with proper weight oil for conditions) up to speed the more lubrication you are providing the engine internals with
 
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