California Drought

   / California Drought #711  
Well, with the outflow of people from California the last year or two I’m sure they’re not going through as much water as they used to
Nearly all the water goes to industial-scale ag. People leaving won't have any effect.

And California agriculture feeds a good part of the nation their fresh produce. There's no incentive to reduce consumption of water for that.

One issue where political pressure might reduce water use is the huge amount of ag water used to grow alfalfa, cattle feed, that is grown for export. Saudi Arabia and others overseas are buying land with grandfathered water rights, and their export of water-intensive cattle feed isn't providing much benefit to Americans.
 
   / California Drought #712  
Nearly all the water goes to industial-scale ag. People leaving won't have any effect.

And California agriculture feeds a good part of the nation their fresh produce. There's no incentive to reduce consumption of water for that.

One issue where political pressure might reduce water use is the huge amount of ag water used to grow alfalfa, cattle feed, that is grown for export. Saudi Arabia and others overseas are buying land with grandfathered water rights, and their export of water-intensive cattle feed isn't providing much benefit to Americans.
Then why does Cali spend do much advertising money to try to save water at the tap?

More bad government management?
 
   / California Drought #713  
Then why does Cali spend do much advertising money to try to save water at the tap?

More bad government management?
Lobbying by the ag interests who want more? Follow the dollars!

Litigation re California water law, fighting over allocation of a scarce and limiting resource, is a significant industry here.

Related, ag has the funds, and the motivation, to put candidates in office at the state and federal level. To advocate for them, including probably the advertising you saw. Other water interests - fish and wildlife advocates, Indian reservations, flood control planners etc don't have the same unlimited funds to push their own interests. Its an endless fight over an insufficient resource.

A couple of other California water issues if you want to go deep in the weeds learning more:

1) Nestle has been buying up bottled water firms, for years. They have continual litigation over discoveries that they aren't paying for the water they draw from streams, springs, and municipal supplies. A while back one of their brands of 'spring water' delivered in 5 gallon glass jugs was found to be simply Sacramento tap water. They closed their bottling plant in downtown Sacramento.

2) The real water law battles got started in the 1870's when Hydraulic mining for gold, washing entire hillsides down to run through sluices, was causing so much damage to farmland downstream that the practice was outlawed. The bed of the Sacramento river is some 16 ft higher than it was before that era, due to all the material washed down, requiring continual levee improvements. A lot of federal flood control dollars - voted by Congress - go into maintaining the levees. I doubt we're at the cost level of what it takes to keep the Mississippi River inside its levees but the federal funding issues are similar. Your Tax Dollars At Work!
:)
 
   / California Drought #714  
lilranch2001, please put your location in your profile. Are you in Oregon? A Californian who retreated to Idaho?
 
   / California Drought #715  
Off topic but I miss the TBN member location map...

Back to water...
 
   / California Drought #716  
lilranch2001, please put your location in your profile. Are you in Oregon? A Californian who retreated to Idaho?
Indiana, but spent much more time than I wanted to in the Bay Area building and overseeing warehouses……
 
   / California Drought #717  
Nearly all the water goes to industial-scale ag. People leaving won't have any effect.

And California agriculture feeds a good part of the nation their fresh produce. There's no incentive to reduce consumption of water for that.

One issue where political pressure might reduce water use is the huge amount of ag water used to grow alfalfa, cattle feed, that is grown for export. Saudi Arabia and others overseas are buying land with grandfathered water rights, and their export of water-intensive cattle feed isn't providing much benefit to Americans.
The water usage of 39 million people is not negligible. Converting Orange County from agriculture to residential didn't save much water. Also, there are still towns and cities in California that don't even meter water. Agriculture does use 4x the amount that cities use, but far from "nearly all."

 
   / California Drought #719  
The water usage of 39 million people is not negligible. Converting Orange County from agriculture to residential didn't save much water. Also, there are still towns and cities in California that don't even meter water. Agriculture does use 4x the amount that cities use, but far from "nearly all."

Not sure about no water meters as a law was passed to meter all water and it was quite expensive undertaking especially in snow country with seasonal occupancies lake Lake Tahoe… but the district had no choice.

Friends in Sacramento similar…

Plenty of SF homes with very low water use…

San Franciscans consume an average of 42 gallons of water per day, one of the lowest rates in California and half the state average.

Additionally, SFPUC offers many resources to encourage efficient water use for customers. These include free onsite irrigation checkups and landscape evaluations, grants, and leak alerts.Jul 26, 2022
 
   / California Drought #720  
Not to mention the enormous amount of water that Los Angeles recycles, directly, and indirectly. Did you know that only 10-20% of water used to irrigate a tree is lost to the atmosphere? The rest returns to the aquifer.

Still the Aussies are using 40-45gpd with better conservation measures and definitely the way to go.

All the best,

Peter
 

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