Dealer Calling all Korean tractor owners and dealers

[Dargo]

Bates, you have hit the nail on the head. Comparisons of tractors should
be based on weight...

Gees man, if that were the case, everybody should immediately run to their local Rural King store and buy a Tractor King. They do have plenty of "features" and they do "weigh" more than what you have. So, in essence, you are saying you wish you had a Tractor King??!

 

[Bates]

Bates, you have hit the nail on the head. Comparisons of tractors should
be based on weight and features, not hp. Tractors are about pulling
and pushing and lifting. More hp is for doing it faster. Most will always
be limited by traction.

That's true, but HP is nice too when mowing 4 ft. high grass and weeds. Korean machines seem to have almost a perfect balance of weight, reliability performance and price.

As a side note, it's rumored that Shibaura/Ford parts for 80's model compact Fords are drying up and are obsolete. This cross-breeding of tractor manufactures is the END OF THE LINE for 50+ year parts availability once enjoyed by IH Farmall/JD/ MF/ and other tractors designed and made "in house" in the good ole' US of A.

Thus, there's little advantage in buying an Oriental tractor sprayed JD green with JD decals in hopes that your grandchildren will still be able to find parts and service for it.

 

[dfkrug]

Bates, you have hit the nail on the head. Comparisons of tractors should
be based on weight and features, not hp. Tractors are about pulling
and pushing and lifting.
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I disagree with this statement... I had a 4110 Mahindra with Bradco 11 ft hoe. Once the PTO pump was installed, the tractor could do what I wanted, but slowly. Weight in some people's applications is a moot point. Not every one needs weight for their particular application. Secondly,talking about features,, I switched from the Mahindra 4110 to a Kubota L 48 TLB. Reasons?, two main reason are, the Mahindra had 7 gpm main pump. I understand that the new ones may have 8. Still negligable for serious hoe/laoder work,, The L 48 has three pumps totalling 26 GPM.,. Big difference... The other, and just as important,, was the turn around seat, Sit down, spin around, and operate the hoe... On the Mahindra, it is climb off, climb hoe, climb off, move tractor, climb back on hoe.. Lots and lot's of wasted time. and if with a serious physical disabilty, the climbing on and off, wears one out in a hurry...

You said you disagreed with my statement, but I see no disagreement in
what you wrote. "Weight and features", I said. The most important features
I have seen are PS, 4WD, and trans type. Some tractors (mostly old
ones) have poor hydraulic pump flow rates and drum brakes. Multiple
hyd pumps and wet brakes are "features". HP is a secondary consideration
to weight and features.....I stick by that statement.

 

[NewToy]

Interesting, the TC31 seems to be similar to your TYM T330, the TC31 does weigh about 500# less, but the 3pt lift capacity of the TYM is 1199# while the TC31 has 1635# capacity or roughly 400# more than your TYM. The TC31 is wider which yields stability. The NH has higher hydraulic capacities in all 3 ways to measure it. I could not find loader specs for the TYM, but if they are anything like the 3pt spec comparision, then the TYM seems to be lacking? And the curved loader arms on the TC31 make for quicker loader work than the traditional dog-leg arms that are found on the TYM so even if the TYM does have greater specs, I'd be willing to bet it is still slower due to lower visibility.

I'm not trying to cause trouble, just trying to point out that you made some pretty strong statements that don't seem to stand up very well when compared to a similar tractor. I will grant you that a TC30 is a pretty crappy tractor, but I can't understand why a full featured tractor would be compared to an aging economy tractor.

Everyone has opinions, but some facts do stand up.


Maka, for what it is worth, I would never buy from a dealer that knocked other brands. I think you are doing the right thing by taking the "high road" and simply selling your tractors and allowing them to stand on their own. If other dealers can't figure out how to do the right thing then they deserve to go out of business.

I think it's rather lame to label a TC30 as "a pretty crappy tractor". Some folks are not in the posistion to drop the money required to own one of the big name tractors. The TC30 gets you into a recognized brand at an entry level. It may not have all the features available but it is a solid unit. I believe if you look hard enough you can find a "crappier" tractor out there. Just my opinion, FWIW.
John

 

[Bob_Skurka]

John, your point is well taken and perhaps "pretty crappy" is an overstatement. It is a name brand, but it still suffers from a cramped operators platform, poor ergonomics, weak capacities and an outdated design as compared to most other similar horsepower tractors from most other brands. I will also grant you that terms like "cramped" and "poor ergonomics" etc are subjective. However, the TC30 really is just a budget machine that doesn't spec out well or compare well to the features of most brands. No matter how you cut it, "pretty crappy" was inappropriate and I didn't mean to offend.

 

[NewToy]

Bob, I may have been a bit hypersensitive regarding the venerable TC30 as I came within an iota of buying on. I was then cajoled by some friends to investigate the FarmTrac line and I thought it was a better value, hence the 270Dtc in residence here now. Anyhow, I love my FarmTrac. I was trying to stay away from as much electronic wizardry as possible to ensure none of those nagging hard to diagnose electrical gremlins that never seem to manifest themselves at the dealer when there for service. My requisite features were power steering, 4wd and shuttle shift. I demo'd some hydro units and didn't care for the associated whining noises and WOT.

Regards,

John

 

[EFC]

Maka, I have been watching your ad war for a while now. Speaking as a dealer who has been named in ads as "evil" and "a snake in the grass" ect. It is not even worth responding to.

A while back I had a dealer down south run a full page ad saying I was everything from Sanford and Son to the devil himself. It took me a half hour to read. I bet it cost thousands. It made me so mad so you know what I did. Yup, Nothing….. The next week there was the same ad. But it started to make me happy not mad. Every week he was spending and I was earning. I was moving forward and he was moving back. Those ad fees add up as you’re well aware. In that one ad I counted my companies name 150 times…….that is priceless. Like actors say even bad publicity is still publicity. I can’t even tell you how many tractors I sold because people had to meet the person that was so evil that a dealer would spend thousands of dollars a month in advertising to deface them.

Please take the money you are using to fight back and spend it on a photo ad that acts like competition doesn’t even exist. Drive your own road and let the mainliners fight with traffic. You are better than that.

Buck

 

[dieselsmoke1]

I'm showing up late for this one.

I've been very pleased with my Mahindra 2810HST, which is essentially a TYM with a Kioti engine. She's a heavy weight little beast with plenty of power to turn the tires. If mine were to fall victim to a midnight acquistion crew, I'd want another just like it. Guess I'd have to try and find a TYM dealer to get it. I think Mahindra dropped this series from the line when the '15's came out. Nothing against the '15's, I just prefer the '10's.

 

[NewToy]

Does your 2810 have a Daedong 3A139 engne? That's the same engine my FarmTrac has and they call it a 27 HP unit. Maybe Mahindra is able to extract another HP through clever exhaust routing.

John

 

[shvl73]

Does your 2810 have a Daedong 3A139 engne? That's the same engine my FarmTrac has and they call it a 27 HP unit. Maybe Mahindra is able to extract another HP through clever exhaust routing.John

I thought it was rated at a higher rpm in the mahindra vs. the farmtrac.