Comparison Can anyone identify model or year on this IH tractor?

jmc03307 · Dec 31, 2012

Owner mentioned 1974 and 69 HP.

Soggy Bottom Outdoors · Dec 31, 2012

My best guess would be a IH 674. Very common tractor in my area but I don't see them with a cab much. The year would be correct, but the HP is a little high. Go to Tractordata.com and see what you think.

wcampbell47 · Dec 31, 2012

Check out tractordata.com. Look for some numbers - like 686. Case and IH combined in 1985 so you want to look for just IH tractors only. You can sort the list by year, power or model number.

jmc03307 · Dec 31, 2012

That could be it.

I'll be getting a closer look this week I think and get some stuff off the tag (which the current owner said is on the right-hand side when facing forward - that location would be a mismatch for a 674 if tractordata is correct).

The cab is home-made.

Also: the image seems to show a power steering hydraulic cylinder on the left hand side that goes back towards the rear axle. I didn't find google images that fit such a scenario though. Maybe that's not what it is. Or maybe this is a mutt of some sort.

Thanks,
Jerry

Thanks for your help.

cyrush · Jan 1, 2013

Could be a no of models?? Need some more photo's please of engine and area in front of seat and of gearbox lid??

jmc03307 · Jan 1, 2013

Here's the serial number tag. Actually, no serial number, just a long model number. No clue if that's the norm or not. Also, this tractor has a decal on it indicating that it was sold by a company in the Province of Quebec.

I hope the patron saint of the ignorant was looking over my shoulder, because I bought this tractor even though I don't even know what it is and I still need to figure out how to get it home.

Soggy Bottom Outdoors · Jan 1, 2013

I like research, no really I do. I'm still sticking to my idea of a 574/674 unless it is a odd Canadian model. I looked at Tractorhouse at ten tractors listed as 684's, as the serial # tag would lead one but none looked like your tractors body style or the years you indicated. The 574/674 listed by Tractorhouse were very similar to yours and the years would be correct. I'm doubtful it is a Case/IH post 1985 tractor. It would not have a "IH" in the grill or "international harvester of Great Britian" on the ID tag.

jmc03307 · Jan 1, 2013

Engine casting number is 3040912R4 but maybe the first digit is a 5.

That serial number plate was on the right hand side of the tractor. Clutch housing I think. I thought the 3 point hitch was Cat II, but now I'm not so sure. The implement end is Cat II, but the other end, where it attaches to the bottom/back of the tractor appears to be Cat I.

RE: Research

I've been poking around on the web, googling around, and haven't matched anything up either.

DieselnHooters · Jan 1, 2013

looks bigger than a 674 to me. I am thinking a 724, there were a lot of them in Quebec. Not a popular model overall hence parts are now scarce and they sell for less than other IH models from that era.

DieselnHooters · Jan 1, 2013

You can scratch my 724 guess as the ID tag on yours says Great Britain and the 724 was manufactured in Germany. Maybe its a 674 after all and its the cab that makes it appear larger .

jmc03307 · Jan 1, 2013

Thanks for all your investigative work. I'll have this thing home someday. At this point it's hard to say whether I'll smiling or sobbing. At the moment, I'm just nervous because I paid $5500 for a mystery that'll run and work I think. Rear tires and some hoses look original, so that's not so great. It'll be different than my loaderless 8N - that's for sure.

Blackberry came back to life and I've got two more images to share. One shows the dash. One shows the shifters. Seems to be a High-Low range shifter and a 1-4+R shifter.

cyrush · Jan 1, 2013

Sorry everybody wrong ???

First photos i had my suspicions the "hydrosteer" steering ram was fitted to IH Bradford built tractors!!

Further photos confirm my suspicions !! It is probably a 444. Confirmed by the location of the serial no plate on the r/hand of the clutch housing!!

Model no and serial no are all there stamped into the plate!!!

A480003 is the " kind code" or tractor build and B000643 tells me it is an early model as serial range stars @ 501 . B means built in Great Britain

I don't have a listing of kind codes so am guessing at 444 but am fairly certain

On 2nd photo there is a decal near bottom front of bonnet!! What does it say??

Other models of this similar family would be 354, 374 & 384 !!

Do you have a service manual as i sell these in PDF format on CD or as a download??

jmc03307 · Jan 1, 2013

The thing in the lower left is a decal for tractor dealer H. Farand & Fils Ltee in St. Clet, Quebec.

I did notice the similarity to a 444 earlier, but the owner said this tractor had quite a bit more HP (69!) than a 444 and didn't have any way to judge. The snow bucket on the front is 7 feet wide and the tractor with bucket is about 14.5 feet long. Owner claims tires aren't loaded and tractor/loader weighs 5.5 tons? Outside of rear-tire-to-rear-tire is about 6.5 feet.

I've bought the darn thing now and it doesn't come with manuals. One of my reasons for getting a solid identification is so that I *can* order manuals.

Soggy Bottom Outdoors · Jan 1, 2013

Is there anything on the engine that would indicate it's size or cubic inches?

jmc03307 · Jan 1, 2013

I didn't see anything while i was there other than just below the cast-in firing order, a "3040912R4" - but maybe the first digit is a 5.

Is that unique enough? Or were there all sorts of engine sizes across all sorts of years derived from that?

jmc03307 · Jan 2, 2013

I seem to have lost my reply, but I believe that the 444 assessment was pretty good because of this:

Yesterday's Tractors :: View topic - International Harvester 444 -Doncaster

...so a completely made in Doncaster tractor that was shipped to Canada complete rather than assembled in the U.S.

Also, saw notes saying that Doncaster 444 is distinct from the Louisville 444. In the U.S. the Doncaster 444 may be closest to 364.

So if I stick with this theory, I have to find the operator and service manuals for 444s that were completely built in Doncaster for export - other 444 manuals wouldn't apply.

cyrush · Jan 2, 2013

Basically correct except the 444 was NEVER built in Doncaster!! All British build 444 were built in Bradford About 30 miles away !!!

For service manuals for this machine it is covered by 3 books, 1 is tractor less engine, 2nd is engine and 3rd is `fuel injection eqt and fuel system specifications I can supply all these as a download or on CD rom, send me a PM with your e mail mad dress for further details. I currently don't have an operators manual available !!

Yes the Bradford m/c differs in some details from a Louisville m/c.

cyrush · Jan 3, 2013

The part no you quoted 3040 912R4 is the base no for the crankcase for a BD 154 engine as fitted in 444 and its family

Have your PM and will reply shortly!!

GMcNally · Jan 27, 2013

This is a 574 from the mid 70's. HP 68. It is fitted with a non IH cab.

RickB · Jan 27, 2013

cyrush said:
Sorry everybody wrong ???

First photos i had my suspicions the "hydrosteer" steering ram was fitted to IH Bradford built tractors!!

Further photos confirm my suspicions !! It is probably a 444. Confirmed by the location of the serial no plate on the r/hand of the clutch housing!!

Model no and serial no are all there stamped into the plate!!!

A480003 is the " kind code" or tractor build and B000643 tells me it is an early model as serial range stars @ 501 . B means built in Great Britain

I don't have a listing of kind codes so am guessing at 444 but am fairly certain

On 2nd photo there is a decal near bottom front of bonnet!! What does it say??

Other models of this similar family would be 354, 374 & 384 !!

Do you have a service manual as i sell these in PDF format on CD or as a download??

I agree it is not a 674. Shifters TOTALLY incorrect. Not sure if the 374 and 384 had shifters on top of tranny, or at operator's hip. Grille is wrong but shifter is right for a 444.